Immigration

The UK depends on immigration, no-one doubts that, however it’s the type of immigration that is now causing concern. When the Labour party were in power, they opened the floodgates to mass uncontrolled immigration ostensibly as Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett put it, “to rub the right’s nose in diversity and multiculturalism.” Though this attempt at social engineering has created far more problems for the Labour party than the gains as witnessed by Gordon Browns bigotgate tantrum along with the rise of working class protest movements. After all, immigration doesn’t really affect the Tory heartlands overmuch as it tends to be far more prevalent in the inner cities, Labours so called heartlands.

Telegraph.

Last year some 242,000 more people moved to the UK than left, after numbers leapt by around 45 per cent in just a year.

David Cameron has pledged to cut net immigration to the “tens of thousands” but the latest official figures show an upward trend in continuing instead.

And the rise has been partly driven by a sharp increase in the number of Eastern Europeans returning to the UK to look for work – a trend the Government’s recently imposed immigration cap cannot alter.

It has also been driven up by a 20 per cent fall in people emigrating, amid reports that many are put off by a rising cost of living abroad.

Separate figures, from the Office for National Statistics, showed one in five low-skilled jobs are now filled by migrants, fuelling concerns over jobs for British workers.

The low paid jobs quota is at the root of the problem, they are doing jobs that people here won’t or are unwilling to do. If we are to reduce immigration in that area then this is a problem that needs urgent attention. We need specialists and talented people, these pay for themselves within a short period of time as the taxes they pay go towards society and the upkeep thereof. But an immigrant taking a low paid job that an unemployed person from this country wont take is a net loss as any taxes paid are more than offset by the upkeep of the unemployed Brit.

There needs to be a radical rethink of the benefits system that makes it more comfortable not to work for some in this country, after all if we can get our unemployed into the low paid jobs, the need for immigrants will go down. Nor as a matter of course should any benefit be available immediately to any immigrant, not until they’ve paid in a set amount to the system, in other words the lower paid the job, the longer it takes to qualify for benefits of any kind.

Most of all though the system needs to encourage people to work and take pride in working again, not to be content to sit back and live off the state, as it’s fast approaching the date where the state cannot afford to have people living off it unnecessarily.

Also, immigrants need to integrate fully into our society, the days of the ghetto have to go, no longer can society have artificial divisions placed upon it and enshrined in law. This means that foreign translation services have to go, you speak English (or Welsh, Gaelic, read Braille ie native) or you pay for your own translator. You get no special privileges for your religion either in dress codes or days off/holidays. Nor should you get additional protection for being a minority, certainly no more than the majority, in other words your community cohesion can go to hell rather than be a requirement when investigating certain race related crimes in as much as my community gets investigated, without fear or prejudice.

Be a nice day when the country can finally hold an adult conversation about immigration again, without the cry of racism going up.

16 comments for “Immigration

  1. Jiks
    May 30, 2011 at 7:13 am

    “The low paid jobs quota is at the root of the problem, they are doing jobs that people here won’t or are unwilling to do.”

    While, no doubt, there are many feckless british people that the above is true for it is not that simple. The east europeans are as rule better workers, so at my place the vast majority of the temps are from there in spite of there being many english people on the agency’s books.

    So it’s more that the english guys are willing but in many cases simply not good enough, which is a sorry state of affairs.

    • Sue
      May 30, 2011 at 10:23 am

      “east europeans are as rule better workers,” also another myth and complete rubbish. My other half is a Project Manager at an industrial building site. He refuses to take any East Europeans now. They are simply not up to scratch, he says. They bluff their way onto the site and learn “on the job”. They falsify credentials and and have no idea of H & S onsite and most can’t understand English well enough to learn it.

      “feckless British people” are unwilling to work for the low wages these migrants accept. They are not feckless, just better off on the benefit system and if you have to support a family, that comes first.

      The abolition of the apprenticeship system and “everyone has to go to university” culture has killed off the trades that we say we are importing East Europeans for.

      The biggest crime of all is the “anti-competitive culture of schools” which has only served to create a generation of mediocrity. We need to bring back excellence, reward high achievers and stop pandering to those who just aren’t capable enough to go to higher education. Bring back Grammar Schools, stop social engineering and teaching them total crap about homosexuality and racism and go back to traditional teaching methods with an emphasis on linguistics and science.

      Why is it that the British seem to be the only nation that enjoy giving their own countrymen a good kicking whenever the opportunity arises?

      No wonder this country is in such a mess.

      • Jeremy Poynton
        May 30, 2011 at 12:10 pm

        “most can’t understand English well enough to learn it.”

        I had that same problem with Russian

        • Sue
          May 30, 2011 at 12:58 pm

          If you live in most European countries and can’t speak the lingo, there’s not much chance of a getting any job unless it’s working for a British company. Even here in Spain it’s practically impossible unless you are bi-lingual or just deal with Britons.

      • May 31, 2011 at 5:41 am

        “Why is it that the British seem to be the only nation that enjoy giving their own countrymen a good kicking whenever the opportunity arises?”

        T’was ever thus.

  2. May 30, 2011 at 7:24 am

    “Be a nice day when the country can finally hold an adult conversation about immigration again, without the cry of racism going up.”

    Sadly, I think – now it’s become an industry, and a self-building one at that – this will never happen…

  3. May 30, 2011 at 7:48 am

    The real problem with mass immigration is the fact it depresses wage levels. If there’s a glut of people that will work for tuppence, employers won’t advertise jobs for threepence. If tuppence jobs have to get subsidised by the government in the form of council tax benefit, housing benefit, tax credits and the like, is it really a living wage?

    The problem of getting the unemployed into low paid jobs is that the cost and risk of taking that job outweighs the benefit of staying on er, benefits.

    If a person getting 65 quid a week with rent paid for council tax paid for and free NHS takes a short-term minimum wage job, they are thrust into paying tax, paying council tax, rent and all the other stuff us working folk have to do. When the job ends, it may take weeks for them to start receiving dole money again, with the risk of being evicted, not being able to buy food, etc.

    If the pain and risk were taken out of the move into employment and if the minimum wage were tax-free (thereby producing a bigger incentive to work) you’d see lots more people taking the chance of working. As we all know, once in a job, its easier to find another, better one.

    Is it also right that the richer people in society are forced by government to subsidise the poorest in society when its that self-same government that engineers the situation? Why can’t the minimum wage be a proper, living wage without having to rely on the state for subsidy? Because there’s jobs in them thar forms that need to be filled in and processed. More often than not by people in Labour heartlands.

    Its a huge and complex interlinked problem that has taken decades to evolve and it can’t be solved overnight.

    But it really does need to be solved.

    • May 31, 2011 at 5:42 am

      “If the pain and risk were taken out of the move into employment and if the minimum wage were tax-free (thereby producing a bigger incentive to work) you’d see lots more people taking the chance of working. “

      You’d see lots of other people not working though – that tax and its attendant checks and administration keeps lots of civil servants and local government officers employed.

  4. Sue
    May 30, 2011 at 8:03 am

    “they are doing jobs that people here won’t or are unwilling to do” is a myth. Who do you think did those jobs before the immigrants took them? As a young girl I did many menial jobs, some in the holidays and some to give me an income while I studied. Waitressing, cleaning, fruit picking, you name it, I’ve done it and so did many others. Our parents couldn’t afford to keep us in college and university, we had to do that ourselves.

    Immigration in certain fields is not only not needed but inadvisable. We are forced to employ people that don’t speak the language. Consequently we have doctors and nurses who are a downright danger to our patients. Help desks that help nobody because there’s no communication and the government now has the perfect excuse to spy on us all in the name of “terrorist prevention”.

    Immigration has brought some towns to the brink of civil war, crime has risen and our benefits bill has soared. We are now short of housing, short of school places, the NHS is under too much pressure and in a recent study by migrationwatch, they have added a minimal amount to the economy.

    We’ve lost free speech and many of our democratic rights have been taken in the name of diversity! We’ve been forced to live with customs and traditions which bear no resemblance to anything British. All this, in the name of religious freedoms and mutual respect and yet if we fly the “flag” we’re racists!

    Companies and schools are forced to take a certain amount of ethnics in a bid to make things “fair” when in actual fact it’s put the indigenous population at the end of the queue for practically anything and they still expect us to pick up the bill!

    Except for a minority of people that have successfully integrated and become part of our once great nation, I can’t see one positive I’m afraid.

    • May 30, 2011 at 12:17 pm

      “As a young girl I did many menial jobs, some in the holidays and some to give me an income while I studied”
      As a young lad I did exactly the same, from my teens on every Saturday in a local business and all the summer holidays fruit picking then temprary work during uni vacations. The money was essential and as a bonus it was a good way to meet young girls :-). But I doubt most of those jobs are available nowadays, regulations, quotas, worker ‘protection’ rules have had the peverse effect of closing such opportunities, and with them the working mentality has been replaced by the entitlement one.

      • Sue
        May 30, 2011 at 1:00 pm

        Exactly. How on earth can they moan about youngsters not going to work when there are no jobs and too many rules and regulations.

  5. C H Ingoldby
    May 30, 2011 at 9:31 am

    ”The UK depends on immigration, no-one doubts that”

    I doubt that very much.

    In no way whatsoever do i see the UK ‘depending’ on immigration.

    ”they are doing jobs that people here won’t or are unwilling to do.”

    That is simply not true. In the past I have found myself competing with Eastern European immigrants for work. In the school I work in it is traditional for the teenagers to do casual work over the summer holidays, except that now they majority of them can not find jobs because fo the influs of Eastern Europeans.

    Tropes about ‘depending’ on immigration and immigrants only doing the jobs that the British don’t want to do are the drivel of the insulated liberal middle classes. Of people who have never had to walk the streets looking for a minimim wage job.

    Pro mass immigration people are a bunch of well off smug, sanctimonious bastards.

    • May 30, 2011 at 10:46 am

      ”The UK depends on immigration, no-one doubts that”

      Nonsense, it is completely untrue. Here is a stament about immigration that I believe was true about the past:

      “Asian restaurants became dominant as they brought in cheap labour, accomodated those arriving in conditions British people used not to be prepared to accept and otherwise flouted various practises applicable to the native population.”

      Here is another:

      “Britain’s NHS has only been able to provide the pretense of supplying a western standard of health care through the large scale use of immigrant labour and exploitation of trainees.”

      We have lived so many lies for so long that we come to believe them: eg Britain has the best television in the world! Here is another:

      “”The UK depends on immigration, no-one doubts that” It is so wrong that it is the exact reverse of this fact:

      “Britain has become so overcrowded that a programme of mass emigration will be necessary to restore reasonable harmony to its society, many Brits now living abroad have no doubts about that”

      I agree with the last sentence of the comment from CH Ingoldby above:

      “Pro mass immigration people are a bunch of well off smug, sanctimonious bastards.”

      But why do they take such a patently absurd position? IMO because their free health provision, pensions and home equity all depend on fostering and continuing just that system. Like all pyramid schemes, however, it must eventually collapse!

      Are we reaching that point? I fear so!
      😕

      • May 30, 2011 at 2:47 pm

        Have to agree here.

        • May 31, 2011 at 5:43 am

          Seconded.

  6. Monty
    May 30, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Britain does not “need” any immigration, and never did.
    We had a self-sustaining population of 50-60 million people, in dynamic equilibrium. We set up, ran, and staffed our own national health service, and our own education system, using our own skilled and trained workforce, and using our own money. We sent our own students to our own universities with a maintenance grant for those who needed it, and our graduates were as good or better than any in the world. The same applied across the spectrum of skills and trades. And when the married women started joining the workforce, the economy grew, raising the employment opportunities. Unemployment was generally a short-term experience, people did everything they could to avoid it.

    Succeeding generations of our young people have been just as bright, just as capable. But the power of the state has been used to enforce mediocrity among them. Badly educated, and conditioned to be no more than drones, they are being used as the excuse whenever some chancer raises the cry “these people are rubbish, let’s import some foreigners instead “.

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