So, how does a libertarian or classic liberal deal with a problem in which a group of people of a certain religion who have been invited or have the right to settle in our country, yet some of these people will not integrate, demand that we fit in with them, blow up our transport network and send themselves abroad to be trained to fight or to attack us or our troops?
Basically how do we deal with a group of people who cannot or will not play by the rules? For that is the problem we have with Islam and some Muslims who choose to follow the as written package of it rather than the more moderate watered down version which basically makes them the same as the rest of us (more or less)
The religion of peace?
How do we deal with a fascistic totalitarian creed dressed up as a religion who believes it’s prophet was a man worth emulating and their confused holy book unchangeable?
Qur’an (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]…and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not. However, there are also two worrisome pieces to these verse. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of “persecution” (a qualification that is ambiguous at best). The second is that fighting may persist until “religion is for Allah.” The example set by Muhammad is not reassuring.
Qur’an (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”
Qur’an (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.
Qur’an (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
Qur’an (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).
Qur’an (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.
Doesn’t make for pleasant reading does it? Yet Muslims are obliged to follow these dictates, any who don’t according to the “fanatics” aren’t real Muslims.
Libertarians and classic liberals believe that people have the right to make their own choices and not to violently force your choice on anyone else. Yet here we have a belief system that preaches holy war, is out breeding the native population somewhat, who get special treatment from our weak government and who demand their own laws and dietary requirements are forced upon us rather than adapt to our ways.
Can Islam (in its fundamental form) co-exist with liberty? I don’t think it can, it’s a creed of conquest, Jihad if you will and takes various forms from actual fighting to simply out breeding your opponents. By about 2050 there should be enough Muslims in the UK to form a political party and win elections. They’ve already managed it in Tower Hamlets where the majority of the council are Islamics and it’s mayor Lutfur Rahman seemingly encourage separation from the rest of the City. The number of attacks on gays, women dressing western style and graffiti on posters that have women wearing bikinis has gone up since Rahman took charge.
So how do we who value our freedom deal with a religion that doesn’t value our freedom and continues to grow?
Consider the words of Churchill…
If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
Because if we can’t come up with a solution, the final option other than giving up and converting is a certainty, Islam will permit nothing less than we convert or pay protection money and give up all freedoms save what it allows, which isn’t much. Take a look at the Copts in Egypt if you want an example of a minority religion living in an Islamic country.
Sometimes freedoms have to be fought for or we lose them, I think perhaps it’s time to fight before we go into the long night.