How will Europe’s former nations split as the Euro and the EU crumble?

There has always been the completely unrealistic belief among euro-federalists, that should their obscene project fail, somehow the old borders of Western Europe would miraculously re-form. Comparisons of the supposed benefits of the grossly wasteful EU (and its forebears), were predicated on that basis for handy propaganda purposes of the ever more corrupt union.

Monday morning’s newspaper from a country, (Ireland,) where informed comment on overseas matters, is still considered worthwhile in their mainstream media, the north/south problems in Italy are covered, beginning as follows, link:

NORTHERN LEAGUE leader senator Umberto Bossi has issued a “penultimatum” to embattled prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, threatening to withdraw his party’s crucial support from the centre-right government.

At his party’s annual gathering yesterday in Pontida, Lombardy, Mr Bossi said: “Berlusconi, don’t take anything for granted. It could be that the league will call a halt . . . Your leadership at the next elections will be up for discussion if our requests are not approved. It all depends on what choices are made.”

Among the many questions arising, as hopefully the last, painful events unfold  in the European Union’s death throes, is how deep will be the fragmentation that must then follow. I have blogged on this topic quite often and some such posts can be found here.

Belgium and Italy, already fractious before the EU, appear to this observer, obvious candidates for a split. Some may believe that the fissures in the UK may well worsen, although I am optimistic that this may not occur. Down the centuries the Scots have sometimes sought to undermine the English with continental conspiracies, often involving France. The EU has up to now, served them to this end, nevertheless it is my view that an independent Scotland, (to which, the Scots are most welcome if they wish it,) would not be economically viable.

On the other hand if Scotland did separate, this could cause a far more damaging split by the South East of England, which perhaps could then in turn lead to closer ties of the South West of England with other European Atlantic Maritime regions. London, could then become a leading City state, with New York and even Shanghai perhaps straggling and financing a ‘New World Order’ (ghastly thought).

Was Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, staking a claim to lead such a wealthy independent entity, rather than just bid to takeover the neutered Conservative Party, now clearly soon to be one of the early victims of the EU fiasco?  More on these aspects at my blog on Tuesday.

Interesting times indeed!

12 comments for “How will Europe’s former nations split as the Euro and the EU crumble?

  1. dearieme
    June 21, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    Spain?

  2. June 22, 2011 at 5:45 am

    “Interesting times indeed!”

    Interesting and potentially positive?

    • June 22, 2011 at 8:37 am

      Yes, I think they must be positive. Anything that rids us of both the EU and the presently generally accepted mindset, must be good.

      The process no doubt will be painful thanks to the incredible damage already done.

  3. Lord T
    June 22, 2011 at 9:40 am

    ‘Scotland not economically viable’

    Not at the moment but there are a lot of hand working Scots and if left on their own they would adapt and get on with it. Look at some of the other countries around the world. Scotland is not as bad as them for infrastructure, education and it could do OK if they voters wake up. They will be forced too just like we are and they have a more radical nature as well.

    I think they could do fine after the initial upheaval.

    • June 22, 2011 at 1:27 pm

      Lord T, you are correct, it will most likely be the question of economic viability that will decide the issue. If enough Scots are convinced by your arguments then independence will presumably follow.

      I prefer that Great Britain returns to being restored to its borders as nature has defined with the sea. Bending our political philosophy to define ourself as a Continental Power, with permanent neighbours whom nature has ordained we must always seek compromise and reasonable co-existence, as the EU has achieved, IMO is a tragedy.

      If we fall out with France or Holland, we can ignore them for a century or two and thanks to maritime power, trade elsewhere in the world. The French, Dutch and all the others are prevented from so doing.

      If Scotland were to opt for independence then all three home countries must surely become the losers, would you not agree?

      • Lord T
        June 22, 2011 at 5:46 pm

        I agree but I class myself as British. Always have.

        However, I believe in fairness. English laws being voted on by Scottish MPs is a travesty. If we have to destroy the nation to get fairness then so be it.

  4. derek M
    June 22, 2011 at 10:18 am

    If “the powers that be” in Europe recognise that the Euro is a failure, and they organise a return to national currancies, this could be achieved i9n an orderly manner. However, France and Germany, who benefit mosst from the current situation, are most unlikely to agree, and so chaos could prevail. In Europe in recent years, we have seen the freindly split of the Checs, and the Slovaks. We have seen the not so freindly split of Jugoslavia. Which way will Europe go. Italy could split at least into two, Spain into three or four. Could France or Germany split, or would they come together to form a rump of a united Europe, with perhaps Austria and Holland. The worse case scenario is that France and Germany go to war (again) to see who should be top dog in Europe for the next hundred years. All options will be open in the next five years.

    You might say “normal service will be resumed”.

  5. Lord T
    June 22, 2011 at 10:45 am

    I can’t see anyone going to war over a split. Maybe 20 years down the line but not at the moment. Germany will grow stronger because that is the way of Germans and France weaker because that is the way of the French.

  6. June 22, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    derek M and Lord T,

    I would imagine the major problems will be, as happened in Yugoslavia, keeping the peace between the different parts of the former whole. Even when Belgium was united before the EU there were problems, were it to split aling linguistic lines, with Brussels becoming a kind of rump District of Columbia for the rump EU, there would be problems deciding exactly where the physical border would be drawn, possibly leading to disputes between the Netherlands and France. In its turn France having to absorb a new “Departement” will have its regional balance severely distorted even leading to changes at the national level.

    This is where Britain, being an island has a natural advantage, as I commented earlier. The Continentals may elect for a form of EU Mark II, or even EU 1.1, but let us hope it includes democracy, otherwise a re-emerging independent nation of Britain, will have to devote huge portions of its strongly growing economy in arming itself to the teeth!

  7. June 23, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    When I was in Sicily, there was a very real feel for the south to go it alone, that Rome cared little for the south. A split would be right on the cards.

  8. June 23, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    In my experience, there is little love for Rome in the North either!
    The general feeling seemed to be that the North sent money to aid the South, but that most of it remained in Rome.

  9. Rossa
    June 23, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    An independent Scotland? As part of the EU they would be as independent as the Irish claim to be. What a joke. But then Salmond has seen what moolah may be up for grabs from the EU to sustain his fantasy.

    And the break up of the Union would mean that not only would Scotland have to apply to be a region of the EU so would what was left i.e.England and Wales….so not a cat in hells chance of that happening.

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