EU Referendum – let’s wait

Raedwald writes:

Devil’s Kitchen and EU referendum are both spot-on about the poor sense in forcing a premature referendum on EU membership; we should work to resist this with all our collective might. Europe is amassing a press and PR budget of tens of millions to be deployed wherever there is such a risk; Cameron’s government will also throw the whole weight of the government advertising and PR structures and budgets behind it, and that seeming ‘Out’ lead in the polls will melt like ice cream in the Sun.

Times change, the political landscape changes.

DK and I [as part of the Albion Alliance] fell out over this very issue in 2009, at a time when the referendum should have been put. The anti-Out forces were not nearly as well organized and Brown’s mess was fresh in everyone’s minds.

That was the time to do it, not at the end of Cameron’s first term. Three things altered that:

1. Cameron didn’t get his majority;
2. What Radders just described in this post has come about and they are much better organized now.
3. The EU is falling apart and it’s the better strategy to let it now.

This third point is the critical one which tips the balance. If that were not so, then there would still be a cogent case for putting it – an ever-burgeoning juggernaut needs to be stopped somewhere along the line and needs be before it can even ride over piled up bodies of sceptics. However, that does not appear to be the case, the EU appears to have run its course and done its damage, as maybe the deeply cynical global socialists had planned for it to do anyway.

Either way, this is certainly not the time now.

9 comments for “EU Referendum – let’s wait

  1. ArtCo
    July 15, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    An EU Referendum
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    My intestines have just slipped from my sides.

  2. WitteringWitney
    July 15, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Quite agree James. Interestingy when I posted at my place that WERE a referendum to be held it would need very careful management and a level playing field, I got ‘jumped on’ by those calling for one. I can only suggest it would have been better had the commenters read what was actually written!

  3. 6079SmithW
    July 15, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Any suggestions as to how individuals can help the collapse come about, and sooner rather than later?

    Winston

    • David
      July 15, 2011 at 5:48 pm

      Starve the Govt and EU of as much tax as you possibly can. Avoid buying anything that incurs VAT. Most food doesn’t, only processed stuff. For clothes, buy children’s if you can fit into them or stick to secondhand – smae with household goods.

      Don’t fly (airport taxes), give up smoking, brew your own booze, grow as much of your own food as you can, etc.

      Pay off any debts (should be easier to pay down if you’re avoiding buying things), and commit civil disobedience at every opportunity. Educate yourself about your inalienable rights and the Common Law of this land.

      There’s enough of us out there, who know enough about all this, to be called a critical mass – it’s just organising ourselves into a coherent force that’s the tricky bit.

      • July 15, 2011 at 7:12 pm

        Not exactly easy though, if you want much of a life.

        • July 16, 2011 at 7:28 am

          That’s where they’ve got everyone’s balls in a vice, isn’t it? 👿

          • Tel
            July 17, 2011 at 5:29 am

            I very much disagree. I distinctly heard David say, “brew your own booze” and there’s nothing wrong with having a few well earned drinks and a bit of a home-cooked meal, with friends, in private.

            It kind of pisses me off that somehow the state has captured people’s imagination on what “having a life” is all about. So many people I know think, “Oh I have to go out to see a movie. Oh I need to go drinking at a club.” No you don’t! Those things are expensive and boring.

            Every second show on TV is a cop show, and every other show is about travelling the world eating at famous restaurants, as if a chef was some sort of rockstar. Is this the pinacle of our culture? Well I’ll skip on that thanks.

            Make friends with your neighbour, have a good chat over the back fence. Therin lies the roots of rebellion. Buy cheap music online direct from some unheard of garage band. Some of it sucks, but mainstream music is complete crap so anything makes a welcome relief.

  4. July 15, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Lack of cooperation by masses of individuals, individually. Power of the human spirit. They can’t beat that. Being infuriatingly Greek about it or Italian. Human folly can collapse any system.

  5. maen
    July 16, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Sorry i dont agrea. The EU is on the verge of bankruptcy, and if the UK do not ackt fast it will be pulled in with the rest of the countrys that sold out to the Euro. Eventough the UK has whisly held on to the pound that wont help if the Euro goes crumbeling down trough treaty´s the UK will be forsed into the EU´s Bankruptcy.

    Dont let lokel politics ruin your chance to get out!

    This from a dutchman that can see his country fall to EU-ruin.

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