The obvious question about what appears below is – what the hell has it to do with the EU?
The short answer, in terms of what the EU has adopted as its symbols, is “everything”.
In terms of what the EU is banking on the average jo knowing – “not a lot really”.
As the central reason I oppose the EU, please read on …
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How much can we know of early history?
Let me look at it a different way. Throughout history, man has acted in certain ways, whether pleb or lord – it’s always been the same. It’s conceivable then that, short of Man having suddenly metamorphosed from a giant insect or whatever, he’s acted pretty much the same, going right back to Egyptian times and earlier.
Human nature is human nature, nephilim nature is nephilim nature, small furry creatures from alpha centauri pretty much act like small furry creatures from alpha centauri. Man has been aggressive, the hunter and Woman has been either virtuous … or not. Kids are kids.
So what to make of the various myths and legends? Well, the sanest way is to see which motifs keep recurring and accept that there might be something going on there. However, you could well argue that just because a motif is repeated over and over, that doesn’t necessarily make it right – it could be the perpetuation of a delusion.
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Key point 1
Fortunately, it’s not necessary to believe something exists or not during this post – the bottom line is that there are movers and shakers in today’s world who DO believe in something, e.g. the Green Religion and thus their belief is visited upon us. We have zero choice.
Key point 2
In history, SOMETHING must have happened. You can reject this myth or that legend but something happened – people didn’t sit twiddling their thumbs all day. The only question is – what?
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You’d probably already know that Nimrod was the warrior who built Babylon, Erech, Akkad and Calneh. From there he went to Assyria, building Ninoveh, Rehoboth-Ir, Calah and Rese. The Talmud calls him a hunter of the souls of men. His name means ‘let us revolt’ or ‘the rebel’.
He’s believed to have been born in what is now Ethiopia, later marching to the Tigris/Euphrates valley, which happens to have been the site of Babel. Myths and legends have him using sorcery and fire. The Babylonian word for ruler was Tur, which also meant bull.
From the references in the Old and New Testaments, Babylon dominated the Old but was hardly mentioned in the New. Yet Revelation speaks of Babylon in the future tense [cf. the Celtic Once and Future King]. Babylon had been taken by Cyrus and had lost its military and political power long before Jesus. That much is more history than legend.
At its peak, Babylon was a pretty big place:
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Key point 3
There can be different names for the same entity or deity and in a situation where someone fulfils a role in one culture under one name and under a different name does roughly the same thing in a different culture, odds are that we’re talking about the same entity.
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Four names which recur in different forms are Nimrod, Semiramis, Tamuz and Jezebel.
Many Pagans say Cush married a woman named Semiramis, then had a son she named Nimrod. Other traditions have Nimrod having sex with Semiramis in a brothel then cleaning up her image and marrying her. The Greeks have Zeus going into the water and raping a female on a beast, taking her and cleaning up the image, making her Queen of Heaven after she dies. That title has also been used when speaking of Ashoreh, Ashtoreth, Astarte, Ishtar, Diana, Europa.
It’s quite mixed up but the two figures who keep coming through are the male warrior Nimrod and the seductress and loose woman Semiramis. It’s the tradition or spirit of the latter which is the key. The original cougar?
Semiramis is a Greek form of her name, originally Sammur-Amat, which means “gift of the sea”, which comes back to the Greek story of Zeus. What is known is that there was Nimrod and there was a consort, call her what you will. That consort had influence on Nimrod. Nimrod’s other claim to fame was a tower:
… possibly resembling a mountain but more likely a ziggurat:
Either way, Nimrod and Semiramis were apparently ensconced up there, “most high” and they could see the surrounding flat land for miles around. Fancifully, they could be regarded as an all seeing eye. This would establish the fear factor among the plebs but they still needed a spiritual authority behind the military or temporal.
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Key point 4
Empire and nation building has always involved military power, followed by political consolidation but for the nation to survive and for the plebs to knuckle under and embrace it, it has needed traditions and these are always part spiritual. Hence the pantheon, hence Constantine seeing the value in Catholicism, hence Druids, hence elders of the tribe and so on.
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Nimrod was the military or temporal side so Semiramis needed to create a spiritual side, later reprised in Rome. If Nimrod was the Bull:
… the Sun, Set, then she was the Moon, the Stars, the Spiritual Earth Gaia:
… alternatively, the Whore of Babylon.
And voila – there was the Mystery Religion which would serve so well through the ages:
… beloved of everyone from the astrologers to the Masons. Two key words here are Occult and Arcane.
Remembering that her roots were as a prostitute, a giver of favours, this also permeated everything about the Mystery Religion, including Masons and the pagans’ fertility motif. The female or femen is a very strong influence which never left this religion, in counterpoint to female virtuosity and the family motif in Judaism and Christianity.
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Key point 5
There have always been two basic spiritual motifs running down through history:
1. The mystery religion warrior king [see Wagner, Nietzsche et al], based on violence and bloodshed, the constant cycle of boom and bust, rise and fall on one hand … and the sexual motif, the femen, on the other, both of which dominate high days such as Beltane and the Solstices.
2. The Judaeo-Christian protector shepherd and the virtuous woman, worth far more than the baubles she dangles round her neck, their marriage a covenant with God and their family blessed by God down through the generations.
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Pause for a question. If I were to blanket Europe with an ostensible worship of God but was actually pushing the virtual worship of a woman, to the point where to reach Heaven, you had to confess your wrongdoing and chant the name of this woman, would you say I was closer to the Mystery Religion or to the Gospel concept of Christianity?
Similarly, if I were to create a bloodbath, ankle deep in the Holy Land, is that closer to your concept of Nimrod or of Jesus, as presented in the Gospels? Ditto with the Inquisition with torture and murder – which is it closer to? Ditto with Mohammed and the way he went on – closer to Jesus and the early women of the church or to Nimrod and Semiramis?
It’s a point worth mulling over for a few seconds.
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So there they were, these two gods Nimrod and Semiramis [or whoever], up in their Temple and the only way to reach them was up a long sloping stairway to their heaven, the temple on top of the ziggurat. In practical terms, they could control who came to them and could foresee any danger to themselves early from their lofty perch.
The mystery religion reversed [not dissimilar to the way John Lennon treated his songs] the Torah account of Adam and Eve:
… and made the serpent the bringer of knowledge, the good one who allowed Man to realize himself by his own efforts, independent of any God. God is portrayed as a demi-urge, a destroyer who wishes Man to remain in ignorance.
Another quick question – if you were asked which model your worldview was closer to – the Torah/Bible version which says Man can’t do it alone and places a Deity at the top … or the self-realizing mystery/pagan/gnostic model which places Man at the centre, just as Nimrod and Semiramis did – which would it be?
If you chose the latter, then so did the Club of Rome, the EU, the UN and the oligarchical elite, so you’re in good company. Words associated with the latter are “liberation”, “enlightenment”, “illumination”. That path leads to what we have today.
Led Zeppelin said as much in Stairway to Heaven:
And there’s a corollary.
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Key point 6
Any Man-centred belief system has always entailed an elite or bunch of adepts with The Knowledge and a hierarchy based on how much each is allowed to know. It’s everywhere from the Druids to the Buddhists [who say you can perfect yourself by degrees] to the Masons to frat and sorority clubs, in-crowds and so on. The Mystery Religion model excludes and includes on the whim of those above. There has never ever been a non-hierarchical society for very long based on the self-perfectability of Man.
And in this hierarchy, there is an elite and this elite is dedicated to getting and holding onto power, putting mumbo-jumbo on the plebs to keep them in line. This is particularly so with a global elite like … say … oh … C300 or the EU.
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Who actually cares about Nimrod and Semiramus, Europa, the Bull and Zeus? Well, the EU cares for a start, as you’ll now see. Let’s start with Brussels and the EU HQ:
Would you accept that that’s a bull with a woman on it? No? No matter. How about this one, outside Strasbourg HQ?
… or perhaps this one:
But that’s just a pretty girl, nothing to do with Europe being raped, is it?
How about the coinage?
… or this?
How about this?
All right, you now accept that the EU is fixated by that motif, you still argue it is not Semiramis or that one taken away by Zeus. You insist it is Europa which, despite the google fragment above, you say has nothing to do with rape.
OK, let’s try some of the other symbolism. Remember this?
Those pentagrams are upside down, are they not? Oh my goodness, I wonder how that happened?
And one voice eh? Whose would that be?
That unfinished tower – I think I have it identified, think I can just about put a name to it – Ba, Bab, Baby — no, I’ve lost it. Perhaps this building will jog my memory:
Wonder why it’s unfinished? Needs some Masons brought in to complete it, just as they did the two statues in Paris and New York. And why would the EU logo now be enclosed between two eyelids? What’s the significance of the eyes?
Friedrich Schiller wrote [translated here into English]:
Joy, beautiful sparkle of the gods,
Daughter of Elysium!
We enter, fire-drunk,
Heavenly one, your shrine.
Your magic again binds
What custom has firmly parted.
All men become brothers
Where your tender wing lingers.
And here is a version with those words. It starts well with people of the world but suddenly drops into seemingly out-of-context symbolism between 0:27 and 0:59, before it gets back into the worldwide loving of each other. Why were those statues in the picture at all in the opening of the song? Could they possibly be significant? Pause at 0:57 again a few moments. Kind face, is it not? The type of face you’d like to entrust your future security to:
Puts a whole different slant on loving each other, does it not? Also, the EU thought it just might alter the words a teensy little bit:
Joyful spark of hope and glory
Unity with the divine
Drunken under fire, goddess
We approach thy holy Shrine
Thy magic shall unite, ever,
Those nations that which were not
Every mortal becomes one
and your rule shall not be forgot
Drunken under fire goddess, we approach thy holy shrine. Christian symbolism, given that Europe is supposedly Christian? Or someone else:
Welcome to the EU. Quick, let’s sign our nation away:
James;
1. Those are stars, not pentagrams (or the Peterson graph to us nerds).
2. The bull has long been the common symbol of strength. That’s why Mithras wrestled one (as did Mas Oyama, for real).
3. I wouldn’t put too much stock in Revelation. Put me in the desert with little water and no food, possibly add some ‘shrooms, and I would see stuff too.
On the other hand…
The similarity of the EU headquarters & the Tower of Babel cannot be denied.
DaveE.
Sure it can. Who knows what the Tower of Babel (if it existed) looked like?
The point, as made in the post, VofR, is not whether or not it existed – the allegory is quite enough. The point is that these EU loons do believe it all and we’re lumbered with it.
What, they’re trying to build a tower to heaven?
I have no love for our rulers, but don’t consider them that daft. In fact, several of the powerful in the US have been caught saying what Gibbons said about religion in the Roman Empire – they don’t believe it, but it’s very useful for keeping the plebes in line.
Whether it existed or not, the headquarters of the EU and the depictions of the Tower of Babel bear an uncanny resemblance.
Does that suit your sensibilities a little better?
DaveE.
Which depiction? A quick Google search gave me several. The EU building (as ugly as I find it), does not look like a ‘brick tower to reach into heaven’.
Let’s agree to disagree because all the depictions I find bear that uncanny resemblance. Point me to one that doesn’t!
DaveE.
Try here, the first entry from a google search.
If you say that the square towers are ‘the same’ as the round ones, then you are blinded by confirmation bias.
The ‘tower’ in the poster is clearly a representation of Pieter Bruegel’s painting of the Tower of Babel.
Except that it isn’t tapered.
They certainly don’t shy away from associating themselves with the ‘Tower Of Babel’.
link to ec.europa.eu
I said the tower in the *poster* is the representation. The EU building is a tower that is clearly represented as unfinished. Is that an allusion to the Tower of Babel? The suggestion is that when taking the poster and other occult symbolism into account it in all likelihood is.
Yes, VofR, that is indeed the official explanation which was given. As Crowley and Pike explained, one must always give the plebs an alternative view of what things are really about.
There’s a necessity here for me to dissociate myself. I’m the messenger, not the advocate of all that gobbledegook, being a member of the other motif down through history. The motive in running this was to show the mindset of our Lords and Masters and to ask if we’re happy with that?
The latest post on CERN reinforces that.
Whilst there are lots of different ‘star’ shapes only one is in the form of a pentagram or pentacle. Any suggestions as to why they were inverted?
The symbol is not just of a bull but one being ridden by a woman which, as James indicates, does have occult/pagan significance.
One other observation regarding the ‘woman’ or ‘goddess’.
“December 8 is a very special day for Europe: in 1955, on that day, the European Ministers’ delegates officially adopted the European flag designed by Arsene Heitz, who today is an octogenarian artist in Strasbourg.
Recently Heitz revealed to a French magazine the reason for his inspiration. At that time he was reading the history of the Blessed Virgin’s apparitions in Paris’ Rue du Bac, known today as the Virgin of the Miraculous Medal. According to the artist, he thought of the 12 stars in a circle on a blue background, exactly the way it is represented in traditional iconography of this image of the Immaculate Conception. In the beginning, Heitz saw it as a flight of fancy, among the many that run through an artist’s imagination; but the idea caught his attention, to the point that it became the subject of his meditation.
According to Javier Paredes, Professor of Contemporary History at the University of Alcala in Spain, in statements sent to ZENIT, “Heitz listens to God in his interior; in other words, he prays with his heart and his head. He says he is profoundly religious and devoted to the Virgin, to whom he never misses praying a daily Rosary, together with his wife. Because of this, he believes the inspiration not only from his artistic talents, but from the silent voices that Heaven always speaks to men of good will, among whom Heitz can undoubtedly be numbered. He is an artist who, virtually at the end of his life and at the zenith of his career, can proclaim with the guarantee of authenticity that he recalls that moment, that he is interested in very few but very important things, that he regards himself as a man who loves the whole world, but especially the Blessed Virgin, who is our Mother.”
link to dailycatholic.org
But it isn’t a pentagram, as it’s missing the outer pentagon. The choice of a 5-pointed star is probably to emulate the US and other countries.
VofR – stars in representations, even the EU’s today, are always the right way up – look at the Australian and New Zealand flags. Look at the U.S. flag. This was a deliberate inversion, reinforced by “One Voice”.
The inversion did not escape the notice of many in the EU leadership andthat was why it was dropped – it was too open.
It’s most certainly a pentagram representation – count the points of the stars. Comes to five in each case. Also, in that drawing, there were eleven stars, not twelve.
There’s no need to even argue this because their own literature is all about this stuff. And look at the organizational structure of the EU. If Nigel can wake up to it, we can too.
The slightest amount of research would show what that was about.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Scroll down to “Neopaganism” and “Order of the Eastern Star”. Research the Eastern Star, not in /wiki or their own literature but in what detractors say.
However, Wiki does say:
It’s still not a pentagram, it’s a star. I note that all of the other depictions that you show here, including the coin, have the stars the ‘right’ way up.
pentagram [ˈpɛntəˌgræm]
n
1. (Mathematics) a star-shaped figure formed by extending the sides of a regular pentagon to meet at five points
Noun 1. pentagram – a star with 5 points; formed by 5 straight lines between the vertices of a pentagon and enclosing another pentagon
link to thefreedictionary.com
I believe that the term ‘hoist by your own petard’ applies.
Read the definitions which you gave – both refer to the pentagon being part of the shape.
The pentagon referred to in the definition is obviously the central part of the shape. The ‘star’ is then formed by extending the sides of the pentagon until they intersect at the five points. This is primary school stuff to be honest. With respect you seem desperate to avoid what is glaringly obvious.
By any definition that is used, a pentagram is actually the lines that form it, not the boundary. Those are stars.
For a bigger issue, I thought that James’ thesis was that this was man-centred thought, i.e. atheism. In which case, Babel is just a story with significance only to believers.
link to en.wikipedia.org
“By any definition that is used, a pentagram is actually the lines that form it, not the boundary. Those are stars.”
I’ve no idea what that means. The lines that form it are the boundary. I gave you a link to the Wikipedia definition of a pentagram that included an illustration of the five pointed star shape. Please link me to something that clearly describes and illustrates a pentagram and shows how it is different from a five pointed star shape.
I apologize for the delay, as I’ve been out of contact for a few days.
To clarify – a pentagram is formed by the lines joining the vertices of a pentagon, formaing a second pentagon inside. It is not simply the boundary, which is a star.