“New technologies,” Sunstein has suggested, “including the internet, make it easier for people to hear the opinions of like-minded but otherwise isolated others.”
This from another whingeing journo complaining about the Internet poisoning public debate – this time Peter Beaumont in the Observer. I don’t see Sunstien’s observation as a problem, although the creatures over at the Groan clearly do.
Anyway, as far as teh interwebs is concerned, they are all at it this week:
It’s a subject that was broached last week by the author Patrick Ness at the Edinburgh world writers’ conference. There, Ness asked whether “instead of bringing us all together in an omnipresent, multifaceted discussion, the internet instead has made sectarianism an almost default position”.
It has not only been Ness. Two journalists from opposing sides of the political spectrum – Suzanne Moore and Peter Hitchens – were next to weigh in. They asked whether social media sites such as Twitter, far from encouraging debate, in fact did the opposite and acted as an “echo chamber” confirming our views.
To which I would answer; “so what?” or is it that the journos really don’t want the great unwashed actually discussing things among themselves – fruity language an’ all? Is it really that their preferred option is that they control the debate and preferably without ordinary folk having the temerity to not only disagree, but to pour scorn on their logical fallacies and factual inaccuracies, right there in black and white pixels for all the world to see?
Journalists are disingenuous and unreliable. I would sooner trust an unknown expert in their field discussing something openly and responding to their critics – amending their arguments in the face of an error being pointed out, than trust a journalist. My default position with a journalist is to presume they are lying or plagiarising until I see some supporting evidence to the contrary. They are almost as disreputable as the politicians on whom they rely for their feed.
So, when I see a strap line such as this:
The blogosphere, increasingly fuelled by toxic language, is hindering honest engagement rather than encouraging it
I know the bastards are on the run. The blogosphere (dreadful word) is a vibrant and interesting place where people – ordinary people – discuss anything and everything without an editor deciding what may or may not be said. And, yes, there is swearing. So what? And, yes, sometimes we have to stamp on the odd troll. So what?
As Yochai Benkler and Aaron Shaw of Harvard University discovered in a survey of 155 US political blogs, rightwing blogs were more likely to be hierarchical and individualistic, shorter and less likely to link to other sources, with only about 13% encouraging participation. Conversely, on the left, 40% of blogs had “adopted platforms with enhanced user participation features”.
From my experience, I’m not even sure that this is true. But, even so, so what? This place (like mine) is neither left nor right, so how does that fit? Pretty much every blog I have ever visited allows comment, so I’m not sure where Benkler and Shaw were conducting their research. Frankly, I’m inclined to conclude that their research is deeply flawed. Given the statistically insignificant sample size, that’s a given, anyway.
That would require dealing with a host of difficult issues, including the value of anonymity and how to “moderate” online conversation.
Y’know, Peter, if that really is a big problem for you, I have to conclude that not only are you a disingenuous journalist, you are a bit thick. The rest of us manage it okay. But, then, it is always a good thing to get a dig in about anonymity, eh? Sow the seeds and all that. Hopefully those political vermin at whose feet you cling for the odd crumb will outlaw it and give you back the control over the debate that you so desire.








You know, if it’s the leftist bloggers that encourage ‘user participation’ and are better social networkers, and less individualistic/more herd mentality … wouldn’t that suggest it’s the leftist blogs that are the echo chambers?
They conveniently leave out the fact that leftist blogs typically censor opposing views like fascist regimes.
Yes, big media is on the run. No surprise that the Guardian objects to debate/discussion of issues being democratized; they’ve controlled the narrative for this long. They don’t like being refuted.
An excellent example of the species is Richard Murphy who ruthlessly stifles any comment that contradicts his own warped view of the world.
“wouldn’t that suggest it’s the leftist blogs that are the echo chambers?”
Yes, it suggests they need to belong and fear independence in others.
I hug myself with glee every time I learn that the Left are discomfited by internet opinion. Perhaps the reality check, that leftish opinion is invariably wrong – in history, in example and in theory – will lead them to re-think.
On the other hand, I distrust ex-lefties even more, so it is, I fear, a war of attrition. But I count the day wasted unless I upset some pinko rent-a-gob…
In which version of reality is this likely to happen?
Actually, many of us are ex-leftists. The left-wing ideology appeals to naive youth. We mature – well, most of us do – and realise that the ideology of our youth was deeply flawed and best left in the playroom.
I do not deny that leftish sentiments are inevitable, but if they persist after puberty then the individual is deluded. I had a lefty phase which ended in 1968, (I was then 13) not the least reason being that I was given a first edition (already well-thumbed) of ‘The Great Terror’. This rather served to deter me from the idea of ‘The Big State’ forever.
I must also thank Mr. Tariq Ali, who at the time had just given a particularly swivel-eyed performance (on the BBC, where else?), which simply made no sense to me…
I think one either survived 1968 or one did not…
They think the blogosphere is one big network of Anders Breivik clones.
Cass Sunstein is one seriously dangerous dude!
DaveE.
The MSM abandoned the cardinal rules of journalism : establish the facts, two independent sources and a high index of suspicion. The replacement of an army of ill paid on the job foot slogging trainees with a few expensive graduates, too posh to knock on doors but all desirous of a moral crusade and a byline; is what has driven the decline. The spirit of investigation and scepticism survives in the blogosphere and shows up the establishment. No wonder they’re squeaking!
A point perhaps worth making is that dedicated bloggers eschew the MSM for the simple reason that they are not paid to do it. We all, I am sure, follow those of a similar mindset (Delingpole springs to mind)but the simple truth must surely be that the leftie control-freak is on a stale crusade, whereas more measured opinion has a forum now.
Rather like a Quaker meeting, as I think of it; comment if you want to; don’t comment if you don’t…