The insanity of sending girls to the front line

October 23, 2012 20 Comments
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The insanity of girls in combat

If the veneer of civilization maintains so many fictions, then they’re not done to oppress but to protect. Chivalry depends on the fiction that all women are nice people who need protection.

We know, from Myra Hindley to this monster to Knox to Anthony that that is not so. I’d never impugn a woman’ courage – I’ve known too many game women who’ll bungee jump or throw themselves into some reckless enterprise to try to maintain that.

What I am saying is that no woman or girl should be anywhere near the front line – any time, ever.

Aside from them being a danger to everyone as well as their penchant for trouble, it’s just wrong – men do the defending.

In a post at OoL, it was pointed out that the PC fiction perpetuated by the unholy alliance of feminists and state likes to quote the Israeli military and how women do everything men do. For a start, there is this PC element wanting them, forcing them to and constructing situations where they appear to be doing this.

The reality is different.

# Women currently comprising 33% of all IDF soldiers and 51% of its officers – note the discrepancy.

# The Hagana stated in its law that its lines were open to: “Every Jewish male or female, who is prepared and trained to fulfill the obligation of national defense.” Most served as medics, communications specialists, and weaponeers.

# 3% of women serve in combat roles though it is officially open to both sexes.

There is a special organization to ensure political correctness:

The position of Women’s Affairs Advisor to the Chief of Staff was created in 2001. The female officer holding the position is in charge of ensuring more opportunities and a suitable environment for female soldiers, as well as better enhancing their skills. The mission of the advisor is described by the IDF as “empowering women, the IDF and Israeli society by promoting conditions that allow for the optimal use of the capabilities of women serving in the IDF; promoting equal opportunities for women during their military service; and assimilating women into military leadership positions.”

It’s the whole artificial nature of it, along with the reports from the field [see OoL post above] which is the issue. This youtube of the experience of a woman in the field goes into it in some detail and she concludes:

The push for women to succeed and the consequent lowering of the standards has ultimately resulted in the question: “Gender equality or combat effectiveness – which god do we serve?” And America has clearly made her choice.

Yet ex-communist Gillard still pushes women to their deaths and those of the men around them for what? For a political narrative. Against that:

Defence documents have revealed an extraordinary litany of reasons why it fears letting women fight in frontline combat roles – including increased sexual harassment, litigation, deaths and battlefield pregnancies.

Do serving officers in combat need such things on top of what is a difficult enough task as it is, requiring no peripheral issues to complicate it?

Now, what we have here is the sad tale of Gillard’s insistence versus reports from the field which cause the serving officers to make such rules – not to oppress women but to protect them and men and to ensure the most effective defence of the nation in a practical, day-to-day way. And reports indicate that when you put men and women side by side in combat, it traumatizes both for different reasons.

One of those is man’s natural tendency to chivalry and to protect. Many soldiers do not wish to have to be both doing that and being at their own best at the same time in live combat. A couple of reports from the field:

Now, what do these physical differences mean for society outside of the military? Almost nothing. A woman doesn’t need strength to be a surgeon, professor, senator, journalist, or CEO. But weak women will get men killed in war. I’ve seen wars. I’ve been on casualty wards. So have a lot of men. For us, war isn’t abstract, and getting men killed to appease feminists isn’t cute.

Tell that to Gillard who is never likely to get anyway near a frontline combat role and thus can indulge her political correctness to her heart’s content and endanger everyone.

As an Attack Helicopter Pilot, [in training] I was told that falling out of a run at the Warrant Officer Entry Course was grounds to be set back. I saw men sent back. I saw women fall out constantly, but were kept. During a briefing from Perscom, the Lieutenant Colonel told us that any woman in that room could raise their hand and he would put them in AH-64 [Apache: a sophisticated anti-tank helicopter] training. He told the men in the room that there was not enough money to train them. Later I served with a woman who had raised her hand. She was now pregnant and wanted nothing more to do with the Army.

Tell that to Gillard. Now back to the pic top left and at first I included it for the pretty combat soldier the men would appreciate. Then I realized what the newspaper was doing – it ran three pics of a girl becoming progressively more traumatized by combat and my instinct was to remove the pic but then I thought no – I’m going to leave it there as a reminder of the type of thing Gillard’s and other criminals’ insanity has led to.

From a helicopter instructor pilot:

Ask any man in the military today what the first thing he does before he opens his mouth and without fail you will hear “I look over my shoulder to see if there are any females in the area.” Please don’t use my name because I too am always looking over my shoulder.

It goes on and on. Feminists hit back that women in combat is a male problem, not a female, ignoring the double standards in the physical requirements [see vid again]. It’s a human nature problem as well:

There are two basic problems with having women in any combat branch of the military. First, scarce resources are being devoted to female soldiers, sailors, and airmen that could be better spent on the more proficient and durable male soldiers, sailors, and airmen.

Second, when women are introduced into a combat arena filled with men, the male mind is virtually always going to be distracted from the military mission to some degree, male bonding and unit cohesion will be reduced, sexual rivalries and tensions will break out, military discipline will suffer, and mission readiness reduced.

On this second point, some will argue that women’s effects on men are a male, not a female, problem and that women should not have to suffer because of male reactions.

But the truth is that these effects are not just a male problem, they are a human-nature problem that must be acknowledged in the same way that other laws of nature must be acknowledged. Because we may not like, for example, the law of gravity does not mean that we may simply wish it away.

That we may not want men and women together in close contact to result in sexual intercourse will in no way prevent that from happening. Human nature will inevitably take its natural course, no matter how hard the social engineers among us may wish otherwise or even try to suppress it, with temporary success.

Remember, the modern military fights as a combat unit, not as individuals who happen to be working together.[1]

So, no matter how capable an individual woman might be, to introduce her into a combat unit will distract men from their military roles and diminish their effectiveness.

And, as Kingsley Browne has observed, “The experience of the millennia is that men, not women, should serve as the community’s combatants.”[2]

Marine Captain Katie Petronio — an Iraq and Afghanistan vet — spells out why sending women forward, at least in the corps, may not be a good idea. She makes her case in the latest issue of Marine Corps Gazette:

As a combat-experienced Marine officer, and a female, I am here to tell you that we are not all created equal, and attempting to place females in the infantry will not improve the Marine Corps as the Nation’s force-in-readiness or improve our national security…

I can say from firsthand experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not just emotion, that we haven’t even begun to analyze and comprehend the gender-specific medical issues and overall physical toll continuous combat operations will have on females…

I am confident that should the Marine Corps attempt to fully integrate women into the infantry, we as an institution are going to experience a colossal increase in crippling and career-ending medical conditions for females…

…this potential change will rock the foundation of our Corps for the worse and will weaken what has been since 1775 the world’s most lethal fighting force.

This thing is insanity and the people pushing it are criminals of the worst kind because they are both sending people to their deaths, as sure as night follows day, causing deaths where there weren’t any before due to the low calibre of the new fighting unit and they’re undermining morale – also selling off defence equipment and reducing military numbers at a time when they need to be boosting them.

These criminals need to be courtmartialled. Just how much more trauma will be caused before that happens?

………..

Further reading

As sure as night follows day:

http://www.samhsa.gov/co-occurring/topics/military-justice/women-veterans.aspx

A psychiatrist opposes women in combat but tries to ameliorate it by perpetuating the fiction that women can acquit themselves equally. He ignores reports from the field, including those of females and his error is due to faux chivalry. If it is a choice of keeping women alive and chivalrous PCishness, I go for the former:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/19/why-dont-ever-want-to-see-women-in-combat-on-front-lines/

Warning from a woman:

http://jezebel.com/5923584/dont-put-women-in-combat-says-female-combat-veteran

Other female specific issues:

http://www.rollcall.com/features/Defense-2011_Policy-Briefing/policy_briefings/-205824-1.html

From a Christian conservative woman [you already know what she's going to say]:

http://www.bible-researcher.com/women/schlafly3.html

20 Responses to The insanity of sending girls to the front line

  1. Edward.
    October 23, 2012 at 8:37 am

    I was watching the telly the other day, in some news item in the background, a fat lady copper, 5’5 inches and 14 stone.
    Plus, a rumour going about – in police stations, duty rosters are full and oversubscribed on a Monday morning, no one wants the Friday/Saturday night Town centre shifts.

    Go figure.

    • Jim
      October 23, 2012 at 9:43 am

      That always amuses me too, the size of some policewomen. A lot of the female coppers I see a little tubs of lard. You rarely see an athletic looking one. And the slim ones are so small a violent bloke could swat them away with one arm.

  2. David A. Evans
    October 23, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Hear, hear James.

    Women are not inferior but they’re not equal either.

    PC confuses inequality with inferiority which is wrong, they’re different that’s all and unsuited to some areas, just as men are unsuited to some areas where women are more suitable.

    Dave.

    • Tatty
      October 23, 2012 at 3:51 pm

      PC confuses inequality with inferiority

      *nods*…doesn’t it just. In the insane scramble to see who could be nicest to the girls, the non-whites, the old, the young and the mentally or physically deficient they have re-defined “Equality” as “Superiority”.

      Political Correctness is an utterly shambolic mess that benefits no one but those paid handsomely to initiate and perpetuate it.

      It’s aim, apparently, was to make a society so corrupt that it stinks. Job done…long ago…so what’s next ? :|

  3. DP111
    October 23, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    I have several points against women soldiers in combat

    1. Force cohesion – women in a unit will reduce force cohesion and effectiveness. This does not matter when the enemy is totally outclassed, as now, but that may not last forever. Multiculti units are not good for unit cohesion either. Just don’t like the idea of a Nidal in any Western unit.

    2. The need for different facilities for men and women.

    3. Lowering of combat training. Men have evolved to be defenders. Strength, agility, situational awareness, speed/quickness, are all part of combat, in which men excel.

    4. Women have a far better and higher role in society then men. They carry the future of a nation. Thus, men are expendable on the battle field – not so women. This has been the view held by all cultures, through ages past.

    • Tatty
      October 23, 2012 at 5:52 pm

      4. Women have a far better and higher role in society then men.

      I disagree. Neither sex is dispensable and women have a complimentary role in all aspects of society to men.

      So, too, on the battlefield though I suppose you could reasonably call them “equal” at the point they are both holding identical weapons.

  4. Greg Tingey
    October 23, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    How about reintroducing apartheid, for women, oh & depriving them of the vote, while you are at it?

    NOT Libertarian.

    Just sexist control freaks.

    Really, really, not good enough.

    • David A. Evans
      October 23, 2012 at 6:23 pm

      While we’re at it, let’s give David Blunkett a driving licence.

      Women in the servicing bay I worked in were as competent as the men and in one post I was interviewing applicants for where a woman applied, my choice was the woman because she was more suited than the men.

      Combat rôles though…

      Nope, I wouldn’t have wanted them alongside me, not even guard duty, they were trained the same but their attitudes weren’t suited.

      DaveE.

      • October 23, 2012 at 10:41 pm

        No one’s referring to service bays or even being in the armed forces. We’re talking purely of front line combat and there is a reason – many reasons why the armed forces do not want this but the thought police do.

        This was Breshnev’s role in the war – he was a “political” soldier, doing the rounds to make sure everyone was thinking correctly.

        There is a danger that this chivalry men feel is misplaced in this instance and I’d suggest it is more chivalrous to do what we can to protect women, not send them to their deaths and those of the the men, let alone the drop in morale which is documented.

        • David A. Evans
          October 25, 2012 at 6:39 pm

          I realise no-one mentioned service bays other than myself. I was just saying they’re fine there but when we went into the field, I wouldn’t want them within several hundred miles.

          DaveE.

    • Jim
      October 23, 2012 at 6:24 pm

      How about imposing one standard of physical strength and fitness on such careers (police/fire/army particularly) at a level that is genuinely needed (the ability to carry a fully grown man down a fire engine ladder for example, or carry X number of ammo boxes continuously for hours, or subdue a violent offender (without tasering or shooting them))? Instead of pretending that the women allowed into these careers could achieve even half of what is actually needed in physical terms?

  5. October 23, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Have you seen women fight? They can be worse than men in viciousness.

  6. Peejos
    October 23, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    In the last few months of the last war in Europe, many thousands of German were raped by Russian troops,sometimes on multiple occasions. Front line troops by definition are more likely to be captured in a battle than support troops: just what does anybody imagine will happen to women rounded up by enemy troops? Geneva Convention anybody!

    • October 23, 2012 at 10:42 pm

      They can but they can’t keep up the pace in combat situations. Let me quote a woman:

      Marine Captain Katie Petronio — an Iraq and Afghanistan vet — spells out why sending women forward, at least in the corps, may not be a good idea. She makes her case in the latest issue of Marine Corps Gazette:

      As a combat-experienced Marine officer, and a female, I am here to tell you that we are not all created equal, and attempting to place females in the infantry will not improve the Marine Corps as the Nation’s force-in-readiness or improve our national security…

      I can say from firsthand experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not just emotion, that we haven’t even begun to analyze and comprehend the gender-specific medical issues and overall physical toll continuous combat operations will have on females…

      I am confident that should the Marine Corps attempt to fully integrate women into the infantry, we as an institution are going to experience a colossal increase in crippling and career-ending medical conditions for females…

      …this potential change will rock the foundation of our Corps for the worse and will weaken what has been since 1775 the world’s most lethal fighting force.

      • Greg Tingey
        October 23, 2012 at 11:25 pm

        BOLLOCKS

        The Ghurkas are the world’s most lethal fighting force ……

  7. Greg Tingey
    October 23, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    “Spitfire Women”
    Google for it & read the book!

    • October 24, 2012 at 12:23 am

      Sigh.

      • Greg Tingey
        October 24, 2012 at 11:07 am

        Why sigh?

        Explain, or don’t you have a rational reasoned explanation, as opposed to a religious & emotional one?

  8. Edward.
    October 23, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    How many lasses are in the SAS?

    And that’s the way it will and more importantly should remain.

  9. October 24, 2012 at 12:00 am

    I am Scottish, and I know that the Scottish fighting man has quite a fearsome reputation worldwide, but the thought of an army of angry Scottish women coming at me sounds like something much worse to face. Send a troop of angry Scottish women to Afghanistan and the men might find they need to raise their game a bit. The trick, however, is getting them really really angry (but I usually find that easy enough myself). The reason so many Scottish men join the army in the first place is for the chance of a more peaceful life than staying at home with their women. Delicate “English Roses”, of course, are a different matter entirely. (PS – No, I’m not being completely serious. I rarely am. BlogWorld is full of people being serious while achieving nothing. Much better to try to have a chuckle, at least some of the time, while achieving nothing).

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