Via Rossa, a site which monitors HAARP activity:
October 28, 2012 – 7:15p EDT
Readings continue in the Northeast with a start longwave time on October 19th, peaking a few days ago. The white shade has not been seen before in this project and we suspect it is a reading that is over 10. Unknown at the time.
Western USA signals are sustained at around a 5.6 and have been for a couple days now, after having grown from a 3.0 yesterday morning.
Cause: Unknown
George Ure adds, at Urban Survival:
With the wind at New York’s East Village weather station gusting a lousy 28 knots peak when I looked earlier, what has been the rush to close down the city – and more importantly, the stock market is having a weather closure for the first time in 27-years – at this particular time?
And, above all, since yes, it’s going to be windy and rainy, what happens to the election next week? Will there be a delay – suspension even – in some places because of Sandy?
Combine that with the tsunami warning which didn’t really make it into the main press, mainly because it didn’t eventuate and there are a lot of scare tactics at this time. With that tsunami, they had Gerard Fryer, of the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center saying:
“Typically, the first wave is not the largest,” he said, adding that subsequent waves could be much larger, resulting in flooding in low-lying areas.
What in fact he is saying is that the first waves were piddling but don’t stop worrying, the next ones could be humungous and we’ll have everything – warning sirens, state of emergency, the lot.
Do you get the feeling the government is going through some live exercises using real populations as guinea pigs this time around, just to practice emergency procedures and get them used to constant states of emergency?
Or is that a flight of fancy and the government would never do anything to its population it loves, admires and respects so much?
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Now we get to the loss of the Bounty and sorry but it’s another I simply don’t buy. If you look at the clip, the cameraman is deliberately leaning the camera over to make it seem the ship is rocking uncontrollably but it’s not – it’s just motoring along. Also, it would be far more stable with at least a little bit of sail up – after all, it’s a sailing ship, not a motoring ship.
In gale force winds they run a stormsail and a boat that size can ride anything.
Now, this report of its loss has it motoring again, knowing there’s a forecast hurricane, they motor into it, they say the engine stops, within a short time rescue is there and the crew are taken off, helicopters appear and a “terrible tragedy is averted”. The boat itself miraculously goes to the bottom.
Sorry – bollox.
Has someone been reading Weather War by William E. Cochrane (Analog Sept 1976)?
Maybe I am getting paranoid, but coverage of the impending storm on the East Coast does seem to be a bit over-zealous in its doom-mongering. We had similar dire warnings from the BBC earlier this year, after the unusually warm spell in March; the rain that followed was never going to be enough to avoid the oncoming drought, for which we should prepare, and to expect for the foreseeable future. Needless to say, we have had the wettest drought in history.
Radical Rodent
The weather here is pretty bad, and we’re over 1,000 miles from the eye.
Yes, we’ve had no Tsunami,
We’ve had no Tsunami today.
We’ve had rain, not too clever,
And all sorts of weather,
But no tidal waves today.
So, yes, we’ve had no Tsunami,
We’ve had no Tsunami today.
I must be frank and say that I’m disappointed to see such blatant tin foil hattery conspiracy theories on an otherwise sensible and reputable site. I and others were trashing the weather control conspiracy theorists years ago. There are enough problems in the world, enough bent politicians and enough genuine oppression without allowing ourselves to be distracted by rubbish nonsense like HAARP,’chemtrails’, bilderbergers, lizardary or anything else from the grassy knoll of conspiracy theorists.
The adherence or promotion of such theories is the quickest way to
discredit an argument.
Whilst accepting that everyone has a right to voice their opinion I’m afraid that the inclusion of this HAARP story reduces for me the trust that I feel in this site. I feel I cannot let this nonsense go unchallenged.
I work very hard when I write NOT to use sources which give credence to conspiracy theories as it’s the easiest way to make oneself a laughing stock.
Apart from the invective, where is your evidence that HAARP is not in operation? I can give you plenty of hard evidence that it at least was. You need to have hard data to make such statements.
And I believe all they were doing was monitoring its output. Where’s the conspiracy theory in that?
Looks pretty real to me.
There is a difference between an atmospheric research programme and what the conspiraloons say is going on.
If you want hard data then much high end atmospheric research is going on both for the pure science aspect and also for research into trophospheric scatter communications purposes and HF ‘over the horizon’ radar. You can make ANYTHING seem sinister if you use the right combination of words. For example I’m going to fire some radio waves through the ionosphere myself later so they reflect off of something and come down somewhere else (ie I’m going to make a phone call via satelitte)
The idea that this is some sort of ‘weather changer’ run by blilderbergers or illuminati is completely ridiculous.
Part of the reason why I rail against stuff like the above story is I’ve seen good discussions derailed by those who obsess about ‘vaccines’ or ‘illuminati’ or what not.
Also conspiracy theories,and having minds that are receptive to such stuff have a tendency, if unchallenged, to become lethal as we have seen with the Nazis or Islamic anti-semitic fantasies or the paranoia of the Stalinist purges.
Monitoring the output of particular frequencies is one thing the conclusion that you and others come to is a completely different kettle of fish.
Sometimes challenging the status quo is a good thing but it needs to be done with facts. For example: The wheels are starting to come off the AGW bandwagon because people seriously questioned the science and the validity of the data not through wibbling about illuminati, fake weather, global mind control or whatever.
If you want an example of how a group or individual can be discredited by association with conspiralunacy then check this entry on Harry’s Place. OK the group in question is already mad but the people the person in the story links to are even more mad than they are. link to hurryupharry.org
The presence of certain memes such as Haap, illuminati, bilderbergers, et al makes me question the soundness of the judgement of a person and organisation or a website.
There are enough real enemies in the world, there is no need whatsoever to imagine there are more.
Such people do exist, granted and many posts from me have been against such people who argue from a non-factual basis and extrapolate when it is not valid. hence my challenge to you to put up some facts and not just be a bansturbator.
One must always argue from the available evidence. This can be from anywhere and even the loons can have a good idea to begin with and then get carried away. Lumping everything one doesn’t like under the heading loon though says more about the person who does it than anything else.
I prefer and always urge people to argue from the available evidence, no matter how distasteful such evidence is.
Now HAARP is obviously a going concern, as you saw above. Therefore, there was huge money behind it to get up and keep running. This is DARPA territory. To then say that no government would be interested in such technology, no military force, is naive in the extreme. To say no one colludes flies in the face of logic.
Even a football club is a collusion of like minded people, trying to achieve an end. Feminism is, socialism is. The political class collude to retain power for themselves. Or are you saying they don’t?
Are you saying no one colludes to promote their own special interest?
And lastly, I’d contend that this is very much a valid issue for this blog – collusion against people, against freedom, which is this blog’s brief.
Very, very true.
Oh the AGW bandwagon – if you mean the real con being perpetrated by politicians to screw more money out of us – I agree.
If however, you are saying that AGW itself is untrue, then that SEPARATE ISSUE is not the case, I’m afraid.
Actual AGW exists.
The politicians & interst groups gross misuse of the reality is a disgrace.
Please note the difference.
Well OK, I will give you that real AGW exists.
It exists in the same way that turning on the headlamps must increase your fuel consumption – the energy has to come from SOMEWHERE, after all.
But it’s not something we should be worrying about, and certainly not something we should be regulating ourselves back to the Stone Age about.
We know this, because the warming is so feeble that it hasn’t shown up at all for 16 years, even though atmospheric CO2 has continued to rise.
So yes it exists, but no it’s not an issue.
Eco-fascists and their political camp-followers are certainly an issue, though.
G Tingey, I believe that CO2 along with other gases can raise planetary temperatures, however, I don’t believe that the amount of CO2 created by humanity is sufficient to cause the sort of warming that those promoting AGW insist that it is. There are plenty of other valid geopolitical reasons for cutting back on the use of oil especially, one of which is that oil is found too often in regions of the world run by cultures that are the opposite of free.
I completely concur with you that politicians have used AGW to promote themselves and their mates.
HAARP is probably HF over the horizon radar or even to take a wild stab in the dark, a way of ascertaining whether comms would be possible in a solar flare situation. Also research into EMP protection has been going on for years.
I’m not saying that people don’t act or collude in their self interest (I’ve seen it in local government) nor that there isn’t corruption in public life nor even that ‘like will hire like’ in the public world. I take exception to the idea that there is a small shadowy cabal of whoever pulling strings. The world is too complex for that. Bad things happen, politicians are bent, and the religiously deranged rave, but there isn’t a tiny ruling coven of illuminati running things.
For me I’m afraid the trustability of a source is key. The presence of conspiracy theories turns a trustable source into an untrustworthy one.
As I stated before there are enough enemies of freedom out there without having to invent any more.