One-Sided Concern…

May 12, 2013 12 Comments
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Katherine Stewart has reservations about Muslim teaching methods, and the damage they may be doing to vulnerable young minds:

Much of fundamentalist home schooling is driven by deeply sexist and patriarchal ideology. The Koranic movement teaches that women need to submit to their husbands and have as many babies as they possibly can. The effects of these ideas on children are devastating, as a glance at HA’s blogs show.

“The story of being home schooled was a story of being told to sit down and shut up. ‘An ideal woman is quiet and submissive,’ I was told time and time again,” writes Shabnam. “The silence and submission I was pushed into was ultimately a place of loneliness, bitterness and almost crippling insecurity.”

The fundamentalist home schooling world also advocates an extraordinarily authoritarian view of the parental role. Corporal punishment is frequently encouraged. The effects are, again, often quite devastating. “People who experienced authoritarian parents tend to turn into adults with poor boundaries,” writes one pseudonymous HA blogger. “It’s an extremely unsatisfying and unsustainable way to live.”

Oh! Wait!

My mistake. She’s actually talking about fundamentalist Christian homeschooling. Whoops!

Clearly, that’s a much more serious proposition. We don’t need to worry about the other sort, after all. Even if it’s virtually identical to that claimed for this homeschooling…

In America, we often take for granted that parents have an absolute right to decide how their children will be educated, but this leads us to overlook the fact that children have rights, too, and that we as a modern society are obligated to make sure that they get an education. Families should be allowed to pursue sensible homeschooling options, but current arrangements have allowed some families to replace education with fundamentalist indoctrination.

And that can never be tolerated. Well, for some folks, anyway.

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12 Responses to One-Sided Concern…

  1. Greg Tingey
    May 12, 2013 at 9:32 am

    All true
    Religion is a collection of blackmailing lies, & it doesn’t matter, actually, which one it is.

    • ivan
      May 12, 2013 at 11:03 am

      So it is just like the socialist/communist manifesto then Greg.

      • Viscount Rectum
        May 12, 2013 at 4:44 pm

        Yes, its all to do with mental health, the more stupid you are the greater your belief, how many body parts are floating in heaven waiting to be collected by celestial virgins so they may have sex with certain bits?.

  2. graham wood
    May 12, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Can Greg Tingey cite a single “blackmailing lie” in say, the Christian religion (I am not referring here to any professing Christian church denomination – Rc’s, or Anglicans et al).
    Evidence for your sweeping statement please Mr. Tingey

    • May 13, 2013 at 11:59 am

      What is Christianity? How the hell can you exclude “professing Christian church denomination”?

      And don’t rattle my cage about the Bible which is merely the approved selection of gospels that met a denomination’s requirements during the Roman period.

  3. Greg Tingey
    May 12, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    ivan … communism is a classic religion – or hadn’t you noticed?
    See long version beloe, as well ….

    Graham Wood
    DO GROW UP
    The whole thing is blackmail – you mean you really can’t see this?
    Unless you believe in [insert name of appropriate BigSkyFairy here ] you will be damned for all eternity in the tortures of “hell”.
    ONLY OUR RELIGION (TM) can SAVE you!
    And what’s more only our special version of our religion can save you – see wars of religion, persecution of hereteice, the sunni/shia infighting in islam etc.
    And, of course the lie that a totally undetectable (even indirectly non-detectable) actually EXISTS & has physical influence (in which case it would be detectable, wouldn’t it – oops) on this planet & its’ inhabitants.

    TL:DR
    Longer version here:
    2: All religions are blackmail, and are based on fear and superstition.
    Religion offers a supposed comfort-blanket, or carrot to the believers, and waves a stick at the unbelievers.
    “Do as we say, and you’ll go to heaven, don’t do as we say, and you’ll go to hell.” What they conveniently leave out here is the unspoken threat, which is only made manifest in those societies which are theocracies: “If you don’t do as we say, we can make sure you go to hell really painfully, and quickly.”
    Thus all “priests” are liars and/or blackmailers. They may not be deliberate liars, but nonetheless, they are telling untrue fairy-stories.

    Fear of exclusion from the community, in one form or another, is a standard part of the power-structure of any religion or cult. Excommunication, anathema, banishment, exile, fatwah, etc, … Fear of entry being refused in “the next world”, or “the community of saints”, or “the party”. Fear of real physical punishment by the “secular arm”, the NKVD, the Saudi religious police, or whomsoever the current set of spiritual thought police happen to be. Hence:
    Corollary: 2a ] Marxism is a religion.

    I believe Bertrand Russell was the first to note this, but the behaviour of both individual Marxists, and marxist organisations, and the construction of their internal power organisation and heirarchies conforms to classical religious behaviour. For example: people read a set number of Trotsky’s saying each day, just as if he were Jesus, or Mahmud. Or appeal to “the historical inevitability of the revolution” etc …
    I may add that it passes ALL the tests, if one cares to list them:
    1] It has a “Holy” book or books.
    2] The words in those books may not be questioned, even when demonstrated proven wrong.
    3] It has sub-divisions and sects and “heresy”, and heretics, in Trevor-Ropers phrase are “even wronger” than unbelievers.
    4] Those sects fight each other, either by open warfare or in internal pogroms.
    5] It is structurally based on the RC church, complete with its own “holy office”
    6] Which leads to the gulag – the communist equivalent of the churches years of penitence and autos-de-fé
    7] Thousands if not millions are killed in the name of the “holy cause” to bring about a supposed millennium
    8] It persecutes all the competing religions
    9] In some sects it even denies Evolution by Natural Selection (look up Trofim Lysenko)

  4. mona
    May 12, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    I listened to the BBC World Service last night, a horror story going on in Pakistan right now the murder of Christians the burning of churches the bombing of Christians its the cleansing of christianity from Pakistan while we agonise over how we can be nice to them and help put their Mosques anywhere they feel like, do they still put flouride in our water?

  5. May 12, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Katherine Stewart and her kind are often a driver for home schooling. The sheer volume of leftwingery, failed teaching ideologies and lack of expectation and discipline present in state schooling systems is appalling and it is no wonder parents look for an alternative. What is probably bothering Ms Stewart is that ordinary people would have the temerity to say ‘I really don’t like the rubbish bent education that is being offered’ and choosing otherwise.

    Ms Stewart is probably reflecting the arrogance and self importance that some members of the teaching profession have. Yesterday I was with some friends and aquaintances, mostly of a liberal left persuasion, and mentioned that I was a supporter of Michael Gove’s reforms in the area of grammar teacing. The response I got was instructive. There was shock from one of the teachers present, that I would support the teaching of ‘rigid rules of right and wrong’ in grammar, and I replied, but there ARE rigid rules of right and wrong when it comes to grammar. At which point she muttered something about ‘different types of literacy, yadda, yadda’.

    We’ve seen 40 years of ‘alternative literacy’ and to me it looks very much like mass, creeping, and intellectually improvershing illiteracy. Progressive education has robbed millions of working class children of the ability to communicate in a diverse variety of situations.

    I dislike the arrogance and the ineffectuality of the educational establishment and it makes me favour homeschooling more and more.

  6. graham wood
    May 12, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Mr Tingey. I take it that is a ‘no’ then?

    I was not referring to “religion”, but specifically to Christianity.

  7. Greg Tingey
    May 12, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    gw
    NO
    Christianity is, like all the other religions, pure blackmail.
    If you don’t believe, ( & especially in our patent version, of course!) it is promised that you will burn in hell for all eternity.
    Sounds like blackmail to me.

  8. Penseivat
    May 12, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    In Islam, women have to be virgins until they are married. How many Muslim men are virgins when they are married? Where do they practice and who do they practice on? In the Jewish faith, married couples are supposed to copulate like bunnies in order to produce even more Jews, which make the Virgin Mary story (married but still pure) difficult to accept. In the Christian faith, women are still second class citizens (how many women have been nominated as Pope – not counting the woman who posed as a man – or have ever been promoted above nuns in the Catholic faith or vicars in the CofE? Religion is a superstition of a feeble mind, is one way it was escribed and I have found no evidence to suggest otherwise. Unless Ron Hubbard was right all along and we are all Thetans thrown down volcanoes? One look at Tom Cruise and it would be difficult to think otherwise. Unless you have a modicum of intelligence.

  9. amfortas
    May 13, 2013 at 3:32 am

    All those oppressive parents who insist on taking education away from the benevolent and generous State. And they are nasty parents too. The article asserts so. With such compelling assertions, who needs evidence?

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