There’ve been some emails on this apparent split in the ranks of right-minded people – specifically, between the Dr. North triumvirate and that of the wider public, politically concerned, many who include this blog in their reading list.
These emails have suggested it needs sorting out.
OK, I’m going to add my twopence halfpenny worth. Not sure it will add anything but here goes.
There are so many who see that things are not right out there, not good. From the EU to PC insanity, from the anti-smoking ban to Julia’s daily list of the latest inanities, we’re all roughly in the same area politically, obviously with key differences around the edges.
Even this site, OoL, had an unholy split when one of the originators took his bat and ball and went home, accompanied by about half the readership, over religious differences with me. Thus was lost a combined force in one small way, in one corner of the sphere, when the sum of all those small ways across the sphere might have been quite formidable. However, divide and rule seems to play straight into the hands of the PTB, as they would wish it to be.
Someone else brought up the notion that to get all of us combining to try to achieve some result is as difficult as herding cats. I personally cannot abide socialism but recognize that for some reason, various Labour socialists from the heartland seem to be supporting UKIP as well as the traditional conservative [small c] support.
OK, fine, mine not to reason how a mind can reconcile Labour socialism and UKIP but if it’s so, it’s so and long let it continue. The thing is, UKIP, for all the foibles spelt out for us by the triumvirate of Dr North, the Slog and Autonomous Mind [a long time friend if he’ll permit that and still so now], the three-man band – for all those foibles, UKIP occupies a space in the national consciousness now, as Wiggia remarked. It may well be, in Nigel’s mind, a fourth party to take its place alongside the other three, I don’t know, can’t say but we’re getting into public perception here.
Some years back, in 2010, around general election time, we started up a group called Albion Alliance and it still exists as an aggregator for all things EU here. What became apparent, as Norman Tebbit pointed out in his column, was that we had no traction. One small part of the reason was that there were negative feelings among our wider radical community against both myself and one of the other principals who was also involved in a matter with Anna Raccoon, DK and the Libertarian Party, upon which I wrote some scathing things, which brought my own libertarian bona fides into question in many people’s eyes. A little man punching above his own weight was one of the asides. LOL.
I mention these things merely to reinforce that this herding cats syndrome is a major problem among thinking people. We simply can’t combine behind a banner, behind an idea.
Now to Wiggia, who wrote that piece the other day. Who is he? He’s everyman-with-a-brain, if he’ll forgive me saying so. He’s just an Englishman who lives somewhere down south, he has a long life experience in so many fields over the years and I invited him to write pieces as and when on our blog. Whilst I refer to him as co-author, he is his own man, with his own perceptions, his own wife and his own life – we just happen to agree on some things but not on others. I’m probably proudest of the atheist regulars at my place too because that shows we can all put aside these things in the interests of the greater political good.
Dr Richard North. He was one of the original anti-EU people, he’s done a power of good work and is a fierce proponent of direct democracy. Now that can’t be sniffed at – he’s done that and no one can take that away. I don’t know John Ward but do know AM and he is another fierce supporter of direct democracy and let’s get out of the EU. So was Albion Alliance. So are many of you.
So why the angst, the loggerheads? Personal perception. It seems, in this country, that one cannot stick the head above the parapet without someone else saying, “Oo, look at ‘im – delusions of grandeur, eh, wants to lead the vanguard. When I started blog groups with others, I was supposedly on some ego trip, ditto when one of three starting OoL.
And so to the Harrogate Agenda. These three started it and are running with it, with a fourth worthy whom many readers here also read – he lives not all that far from Cameron – and he appears to have been cast into the Harrogate shadows. I’m well aware of criticism of Dr North trying to hijack the Harrogate in a Nigel way to become a Dr North agenda. He certainly dominated that meeting in Harrogate. And just as with Albion Alliance, just as with my admittedly minor efforts in the sphere – there are people who don’t like it.
Toque had a good thing going at one stage – Witanagemot and the English Parliament. What happened? Splits again. Someone I don’t know called Uncles and our Toque fell out – people are always falling out and I ask – why? Why, for goodness sake? Tommy and the EDL – ditto. And what do the worthies do? Take their bat and ball and go home.
We’re always splitting and falling apart. The Harrogate Agenda has very good points it’s difficult to disagree with. So, what’s the issue? The issue is personalities, is it not? I understand this resentment of Dr North very well as there are so many who can’t abide me either. It seems the natural order in this country to dislike anyone making the running who differs with us on some points.
On the other hand, it is necessary for those making the running to also realize the need to carry others with them in one of the most difficult nations and most difficult area of politics for doing so. If Wiggia voices those concerns, then you can be sure many other hundreds of thousands out there will also harbour those concerns and the Harrogate Triumvirate do need to realize that instead of coming in blasting away, with the sword of righteousness strapped to their belts, they might take the criticism on board and look at it.
They may well be in the right over their political points but they have not carried the public. In fact, the public is showing signs of rejecting them as petty squabblers. Unfair? Well hell, life is unfair, politics is unfair.
Nigel has made his mark in public perception, more than Albion Alliance ever did or could. Harrogate might do better as it has a nationally syndicated figure, Dr North, at the helm but it is still not going to match UKIP for its influence, not in the foreseeable. Slagging off UKIP at every turn, in every second sentence, does not help the cause. Writing of flaws in the UKIP agenda is fine – we should be doing that. Writing that Nigel was off down the pub during important decisions is vindictive. I’m sorry but that’s how people perceive it and realpolitik says you must factor in people’s perceptions in the mix.
If you’ve pissed people off, you need to reexamine and try to rebuild bridges. At least you do if you’re trying to carry an agenda forward. The PTB have learnt that lesson, quite cynically, very well. A Russian friend of mine was railing about the obstinacy and idiocy of his fellow Russians. Group Hi-Fi sang a song about stupid people. They’re still his people though and supposedly the idea is to support one’s people, something the EU is trying to destroy in our case.
I’m a divisive figure, OK, but on this, am trying to be the opposite – to lend my voice to the call to put aside personal differences, differences in religion, party politics and all the rest of it and at least combine in this matter of direct democracy and getting the hell out of the EU. Let’s stop sniping at one another.
Why was this written? It was written because one of the emails was from someone who has tried to support our agenda on DD and the EU from its inception and he was despairing of whether we can ever put aside differences and combine. He doesn’t hurt anyone, he has no ego trip, he’s really the nicest of blokes and he’s dismayed. He’s our thinking everyman, like Wiggia. And both want all the squabbling to end.