As usual, it was the comments on Daniel Hannan’s piece which were classic but for once, so was the piece itself and I’ve saved to Word the ten points Daniel made – sure UKIP have too.
When all is said and done, what it comes down to for me is one commenter, when he wrote:
“But the UKIP Vote will fall back next year as people concentrate on the choice between Cameron and Milliband” – every time I hear this one, I become more determined not to choose between arsenic and cyanide and vote for Farage instead.
This was the mood I felt yesterday from many people. We do not like being treated as fools. People are manipulated, yes, but when you start rubbing their noses in it and mocking, as these three idiots are doing, when you have not the slightest interest in straight-talking, then people don’t like it.
By a a cynical quirk, the disgust with our politicians can, for the astute observer, mean something more. Harry commented at NO a couple of days ago:
James, knowing what you know, does the fact that Farage, his father, grandfather and his two sons work, or used to work, in the ‘city’ cause any doubts? Or that he himself has been given the freedom of the city. He’s also vowed to protect and defend it. Then, just for good measure, he appears to be a freemason.
The city is, of course, the centre of the usury and debt that plagues us. I’m afraid Farage and UKIP, just like the BNP before, has been built up by a frenzied press and shows all the hallmarks of controlled opposition. I just can’t imagine someone who wasn’t a safe pair of hands being granted such a high profile.
This cannot be ignored. In the charisma of Nige and in that arms outstretched, people’s army stance:
… are the seeds of worry for a few people. I see the need, in the short term, for UKIP to be a party, even though in another breath, they say they’re a “movement” but as Harry refers to obliquely, there is something a bit suspect the way the media has now fallen away from the vitriol and the headlines, starting with the Independent two days ago, becoming grudgingly admiring.
Yes, I do see a hand behind this, as does Harry and as do quite a few of the astute, sitting back and observing, rather than getting caught up, yea or nay, in the UKIP roll. Don’t get me wrong – I’ll still put my cross next to UKIP’s name for the foreseeable, as I’ll never in my life vote for a party headed by Cameron, Miliband or Clegg. And as for many of you, it will be sweet to see the Big Three get a kicking today, if it eventuates.
Human beings are complex creatures – we can know something is spin or a beat-up and still embrace it – hence people who actually voted Labour – what sort of mind does a thing like that, aside from benefits claimants? Because Labour certainly doesn’t operate for the workers’ benefit.
And yes, we do want out of the EU, the EU itself knows how bad it is, they must be amazed anyone would still support an outfit which hasn’t had its accounts signed off for 19 years and has unelected communists at its head. And yes, this vote today, even if Nige comes second to Labour by a few percentage points, does make clear to anyone with a brain that the people of this land are not happy with things – at least it formalizes what everyone knew anyway.
And so let’s come to this little exchange last evening on Twitter:
I was speaking with David two days ago and he pointed to a very easy way out of the EU without all the hullabaloo we’re going through at the moment. The key, if not the whole package, is in the Flexcit proposals – enter that in search at EU Referendum. Yes, I know Richard North has been acting a right pillock of late, as has Autonomous Mind and yet within those Flexcit proposals, which do take some studying, is the Brexit route.
I dearly hope Harry’s fears are wrong on this occasion and that UKIP do genuinely look at that as a way out, complicated though the proposals are. I’m going to send them to UKIP anyway to see what the party says. There is also a fear that a referendum would be stacked, the preparation of the people and the leading question devised very carefully to produce an In.
Aside from the issue of withdrawal itself and the Brexit strategy is that there are too many egos involved on the sceptic side, as the Twitter exchange illustrates. I’m quite friendly with this lot:
… and yet it’s a concern, this “spearheading”. Every time someone does very good work, as Robert Oulds does, no question, as does Richard North, let’s give Richard his due – the egos get in the way and this person or that person have to “spearhead” or “lead” the debate.
This is one of the things which killed off the Albion Alliance in 2010 – the perception that we were three egos punching above their weight. I can only speak personally and just as Richard North has stated about himself, I couldn’t care less about any spearheading role – if anyone sees anything in this post or OoL or my site or in some other blogger’s, the personality is totally irrelevant. I do not wish to head anything and I sure am not going to copyright something and charge people to see it because I’ll be told to get knotted.
Britain is a place full of egos – all of us have them. I was told by a worthy chap that I was “overweeningly arrogant”. Maybe but he had to have had a large ego himself in the first place to have thought of the word “overweening”. And why not – he deserves to be proud of where he is. We are all egos in this land of ours – we all think we’re near the top of the food chain.
Where it gets in the way is where we cannot combine because of those egos.
I’m not explaining well and even in that statement, many of you are asking about the “I’m” – who the hell are you, Higham? A little man punching above his weight who needs to be slapped down a couple of pegs or better ignored.
But even in that reaction is ego on the part of the person thinking it because that mindset has an A-lister, B-lister, Z-lister hierarchy of who should be listened to or not. Why can’t I come out with a few ideas now and again? Why can’t you for that matter? Why say, “Who the hell are you anyway,” when it is irrelevant in the scheme of things? The only important thing is that the ideas are looked at and voted on.
This is what David and Goodnight Vienna are trying to say. I’d like to see one of those “spearhead” the Brexit. David is deeply involved on the inside, I’m only marginally involved.
In other words, I don’t give a damn who is doing it, let’s just be shut of all this “spearheading” and “leading”, OK?
Let’s drop all this “movers and shakers” stuff, extract it from the debate. Let’s drop all this quiet marginalization of people we don’t like personally and don’t wish to give any credit to. From Sean Gabb to Longrider to … I don’t know … anyone … let all of these, every single sceptic blogger, every single reader with an idea – let all of these come out in a push which fills Twitter, fills out blogs and social networking.
Let’s seriously consider all sane ideas for Brexit, whoever had them.
And then hotly debate the ideas, not the person having them.
Let’s just extract the digit and work together, putting aside our own egos, our own hurt pride, our own personal advancement plans. Let’s not even take offence at that last sentence because it is irrelevant in the scheme of things – the idea behind it rather than the people it offends is the only important point – the sole point worth looking at.
As Canned Heat indicated.
Personally, I’ll still be delighted if Nige’s lot edge ahead of Labour this evening but that’s just me – you may differ but none of that alters that we should be working together on Brexit.