Yes rigging, No rigging or Electoral Commission collusion?

Lord T sends the Youtube about ballot-rigging:

… and the line is that the woman in the clip is rigging the ballot by taking Yes votes and putting them on the No pile. Now it may well have been so but this clip certainly does not show that. It shows someone picking up ballot papers and allocating them, then changing a few.

Switch off the sound and just look at the footage. Your call.

Far more significant to me was an apoplectic Yes voter last night who did a Youtube showing one of these officers writing on a ballot and putting it on the pile. He was saying it was proof of the No camp doing this:

How? It just shows an officer writing on a form [a ballot paper?] and so yes, you’d not be out of line interpreting that there was evidence of rigging but to which side? And the clip doesn’t actually show him putting it in the box or onto a different pile. Again, switch off the sound and run it through a few times.

Which is not to say the PTB haven’t run this whole thing as theatre, including that rogue poll saying the positions had been reversed – YouGov, yes?

I mean, the whole thing is perplexing, including Salmond and the Westminster pollies as a whole and let’s be fair – even Nigel. I’m reserving judgement on this but am not going to blame either Yes or No just yet. It seems very much to me Electoral Commission again, just as it was in Tower Hamlets.

11 comments for “Yes rigging, No rigging or Electoral Commission collusion?

  1. Old Geezer
    September 20, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    If the socialists or their supporters do a bit of vote rigging, you will not get a response from the electoral commission. that was politicised during the Blair years, just as most other things were.

  2. artwest
    September 20, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    I have no personal experience of rigging votes so I naively would have thought that doing it openly in a room full of observers, journalists and cameras – even within inches of one – wouldn’t be the way to go.
    I would have thought a little more subtle subterfuge might be wise but perhaps there are some experienced vote-riggers here who can tell me where I’m going wrong.

  3. September 20, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    I wonder how big the moslem block vote was, given that both the SNP and Labour try to woo them?

  4. September 20, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    What if….. These electoral counters are doing what so many pushed admin workers do; which is count the papers, make a note of the number counted on the official form, then stack everything into one pile to make more space to work? After all, the papers have now been ‘counted’ and that, if you’ll pardon the pun, is what counts. It’s sloppy practice, but I don’t see any conspiracy here, just people.

    As standalone ‘evidence’ the vids alone don’t convince. 😳

  5. September 20, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    I don’t see it either. Bit of hysteria methinks.

  6. September 20, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    As Alex Salmond is standing down as SNP leader and First Minister of Scotland in November, the vote counting must have been sufficiently accurate:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/alex-salmond-resigns-first-minister-for-scotland

    Let’s not forget the three fire alarms in Dundee during vote counting and the man questioned by police in Glasgow who apparently wanted to vote twice. (Covered on STV and broadcast on ITV during the returns broadcast.)

  7. Viscount Rectum
    September 20, 2014 at 9:38 pm

    I am gutted that the YES vote failed, two of the most ghastly men in British history were born in Scotland— General Butcher Haigh sent millions of British soldiers to their deaths in World War 1 and Butcher Blair responsible for the murder of untold thousands and the seeds he has sown in Iraq are taking their genocidal toll, Scotland can be proud of them.

    • September 20, 2014 at 10:57 pm

      Yes, the Haig poppies, which have a different design to the English ones and are clearly stamped with his name.

      All explained here (there might be more elsewhere, emphases mine below):

      http://www.poppyscotland.org.uk/index.php/content/show/about_us/our_history

      ‘The Commander of the British Forces in World War I, Field Marshal Earl Haig, was horrified by the plight faced by so many men who had been under his command and he dedicated his later life to the welfare of ex-Servicemen.

      ‘In 1921 Earl Haig came across a group of French widows who were selling silk poppies on the streets of London, having been inspired by Lt Colonel John McCrae’s iconic poem “In Flanders Field”. Haig recognised the potential of these poppies to become both a symbol of remembrance and also as a means to support the welfare of ex-Servicemen. By 1922 Haig established the first Poppy Factory in Richmond, Surrey, but such was the demand for poppies that few were reaching Scotland. In 1926 his wife, Lady Haig, established a Poppy Factory in Edinburgh to produce poppies exclusively for Scotland.’

    • Bemused
      September 21, 2014 at 12:09 pm

      Millions? A bit exaggerated. Don’t get me wrong each and every one a tragedy however millions sent to their deaths by Haigh, I think not.

      • Viscount Rectum
        September 21, 2014 at 12:29 pm

        Nothing like a slight exaggeration, two million died, but he redeemed himself by helping to sell poppies and those poor men suffering PTSD shot for desertion, he was there simply because of his breeding,, Haig whiskey you know.thats what was important. If he was truly horrified he would have hung himself.

  8. Lord T
    September 22, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Well I’m not an expert in vote rigging but would have thought that for the general person there isn’t that many places to do it except in full view where people would think you were just counting. As for moving things around why do something suspicious when you don’t need to?

    Funny how watching the same thing in Russia proves they are fiddling but in the UK just people tidying up.

    We all like to think we don’t live in a banana republic and that is true for two reasons; we don’t grow bananas here and we ain’t a republic but we certainly have corruption in labour areas, isn’t Scotland one big labour area.

    Anyway, the film could have done with a better soundtrack instead of that boring talking. That would have gone down much better.

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