Nice conversation at Breitbart in the comments thread – that is, if you can weed out the trolls and those deeply into the name-calling on other commenters. About half the comments are worth reading and they are actually worth reading.
It concerns Nigel’s speech to the GOP. He may have actually misjudged his hosts who have major issues over there in the run-up to the presidential election.
What was particularly nice was the dialogue between American and Brit in that comments thread. I’d like to see far more across-the-pond dialogue between our two countries – also Aus, NZ and SA. To me, this was a very important discussion:
# I have opposed forming a new party, these past few years. But the broken promises by the newly elected congress have largely changed my mind. Doesn’t matter much if a new party fails: we now have a functioning one party system. One party that doesn’t listen to it’s membership.
# Farage is right about how the average American can win, but wrong about how the Republican Party can be the vehicle. We need our own Independence Party, because the Republicans (at least those in DC) and Democrats have both become “corporatist” – or to reject the neologism, fascist.
I realize that fascist is a very weighty and often misused word, but there is no other political and economic system where big government teams up with big business to gain a lock on power over every aspect of life and hedge out all meaningful challenges to their position. It looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and with the once-free press having sold out for a seat at the table and transformed itself into the propaganda arm of this establishment, it even quacks like a duck.
# The UK conservative is now a dead name, unlikely ever to be reelected again by the British people. Farage is right but didn’t quite go the full distance in spelling out the Con-servatives, along with Liebour, the Fib-dems and the Greens are now just proxy agencies of the European union
# Shame we don’t have a Faraqe in the US. He makes so much sense when he talks and he speaks with passion. I found his speech completely on point and relevant to US politics.
# He is indeed a great speaker but UKIP are unfortunately still up against very difficult odds due to the skewed election system we have here which is weighted largely in favour of the main crooked parties.
Even if UKIP get 15% of the vote it will likely translate to less than 6 seats whereas if the lib dems get considerably less than that as they are likely to (currently polling at around 8-9%) , they will retain a much larger number of seats.
It’s crooked and doesn’t in any way represent the true wishes and feelings of the electorate.
# Once you have identified the enemy…government and global big biz, the rest is easy.
# [Farage is] onto it. To bridge the 5 million vote shortage AND get the kind of mandates Reagan and Nixon saw, the GOP has to ATTACK the corporatists currently running things.
“We’re pro-business!” is an empty and unhelpful claim. A bold campaign for small business, working families and people who want to work will call out the Fortune 100 execs BY NAME who:
1. Moved all or most of their production, labor or facilities to other countries
2. Use Ireland and other countries as shelters to avoid HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS in US taxes
3. Lobby Washington and win giant Fed contracts for doing nothing or doing everything badly
4. Break the law with fraudulent H1B Visas and other illegal hiring
5. Share technology with enemy nations, rogue nations and competitor nations
6. Lobby DC for laws and regulations to break competition or drive out small competitors
7. Fire Americans, dissolve companies, and wreck the global economy and still earn HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars in compensation as they jump from company to company.
Start naming names and watch the drama unfold to a euphoric, fascinated and loyal viewing audience.
# What’s wrong precisely with “avoiding taxes”? It’s not the government’s money.
Everything else you said though, yeah, agreed.
One can be 100% pro free market, to the point of eschewing all taxes and regulations (philosophically), while still noting that the state created fiction known as a corporation is bollocks. Giant corporations have zero loyalty and are so enmeshed with the government that even pretending most of them are “private” is a joke on its face.
# Businesses don’t pay taxes. Their customers do via higher prices.
Then we get tax on tax with already inflated prices, by the addition of purchase taxes.
Most of this gets skimmed off (as does Government borrowing) to benefit the career politicians and bureaucrats (including through dramatically inflated Military spending from skimming arms contracts via chronic overpricing), while dramatically providing a real reduction in the resources to combat such things as the Islamic State.
Seen how much the Marines are paying per new .45 acp pistol for special forces lately? They are costing 10x more than they should (with CNC’s and other automatics producing parts, real supply costs should be far less now than 50 years ago).
# I think the whole ‘NWO’ and ‘Globalisation’ nonsense needs to be scrapped, because it simply can’t work.
A few years back I saw Paul Volcker (who spent most of his life promoting this nonsense) asked by an interviewer after leaving a meeting, about the NWO and Globalisation, and my jaw hit the floor when he responded with “We have come to the conclusion that it can’t work.”
Well all I could think was “What took you so long to comprehend the obvious, Paul”.
Unfortunately I haven’t been able to find a copy of that comment since (it was on National News over here at the time he made it).
To too many that should know better, imho, Globalisation and the NWO, are nothing but doublespeak for Communist Internationalism (what the lifelong communist Benito Mussolini invented Fascism to repair, after the disaster to Internationalism that was WW1, and for which he was heavily praised and rewarded, by Lenin and the Russian Communist Party).
# The Clinton Foundation is up to it’s eyeballs in supporting the MB. Much of our Amerikan government is now headed by Muslims. Obama’s own Brother…..Malik, has his own foundation, approved of by the head of our IRS, so that he can raise $$$$$$$$$ world wide for his comrades in Boko Haram.
Our Amerikan government ALLOWS terrorist training camps all over……..2 being just 90 miles north of New York City.
Your situation sounds about as dire as ours is.
# The EU has been the chosen instrument of the multi-national corporations to create a world fit for big business to exist in. As Giovanni ‘Gianni’ Agnelli put it in the mid 1960’s when he was the head of FIAT and a member of the Steering Committee of the Bilderberg Group
“European integration is our goal, and where the politicians have failed, we industrialists hope to succeed”.
# It does appear as if the conference room was pretty much empty, as others have suggested. From watching the video, I would guess that those who stayed for Nigel’s speech just gathered in the empty seats at the front of the stage.
And that is a shame. Even though the many “conservatives” that attended CPAC over the last couple of days profess to stand for a core of common beliefs, nothing could be further from the truth. Oh, I’m sure there were many, many genuine people in the overall numbers of attendees, but they still don’t have the insight to the root causes of societies breakdown as Nigel has discovered.
I respect Nigel’s insight and courage to buck the system, but I am afraid he was addressing the wrong crowd. If the crowd was in total control of Congress and the WH, I doubt seriously the root causes would ever be addressed and that the necessary changes needed to preserve our country and it’s heritage would be made.
I hate to sound negative, but I deal in reality. I interact daily with my fellow citizens and I just don’t see the courage and patriotism within their ranks to get the job done.
Nigel, good luck with your crusade in your beloved country, and I wish you and your party of followers much success.