Good thing Abbott is still alive and kicking:
Dellers’ response was predictable:
Interestingly, there is good reason to tackle Rhodes and Milner the long way or the short way. Ken Craggs has sent the good oil on the issue:
Thought I’d send you this info about the #RhodesMustFall campaign on twitter. “The #RhodesMustFall movement began in South Africa, where students succeeded in having a statue of the diamond tycoon and colonial-era leader removed from the University of Cape Town.”
Students at Oxford’s Oriel College now want the statue of Cecil Rhodes removed. There is also a #RhodesMustRise campaign.
From the Rothschild website: “With the provision of funding for the creation of De Beers in 1887, Rothschild also turned to investment in the mining of precious stones, in Africa and India.”
Here are a couple of posts made by Ken on twitter. the first is a long read if your computer is set up for that format and it gives much detail and insight into the man:
The second is a one pager with an obvious slant:
My snippets on the man come from a different source and show the man was into more than Queen and country:
1890-1896 – Cecil Rhodes, an enthusiastic student of John Ruskin, is Prime Minister of South Africa, a British colony at the time. He is able to exploit and control the gold and diamond wealth of South Africa. He works to bring all the habitable portions of the world under the domination of a ruling elite. To that end, he uses a portion of his vast wealth to establish the famous Rhodes Scholarships.
Feb. 5, 1891 – Rhodes joins his group from Oxford with a similar group from Cambridge headed by ardent social reformer William Stead. Rhodes and Stead are members of the inner “Circle of Initiates” of the secret society which they found. There is also an outer circle known as the “Association of Helpers.”
1909-1913 – Lord Alfred Milner organizes the “Association of Helpers” into various Round Table Groups in the British dependencies and the United States.
As is always the case with the powers behind the various thrones, they can be seen on one level, e.g. the nefarious Round Table:
… or they can be seen in John Coleman terms which even Wiki goes into in one section:
Historian Carroll Quigley claimed that the Round Table Groups were connected to a secret society, which South African diamond baron Cecil Rhodes is believed to have set up with similar goals. Rhodes was believed by some to have formed this secret society in his lifetime. This secret society is supposed to have been named the Society of the Elect.
Rhodes first formalised his idea with William T. Stead, editor of the Pall Mall Gazette, when he and Stead agreed on the structure of the secret society.
This proposed secret society had an elaborate hierarchical structure, based on that of the Jesuits, which comprised: at the top, the position of “General of the Society”—a position modelled on the General of the Jesuits—to be occupied by Rhodes, with Stead and Lord Rothschild as his designated successors; an executive committee called the “Junta of Three”, comprising Stead, Milner and Reginald Baliol Brett (Lord Esher); then a “Circle of Initiates”, consisting of a number of notables including Cardinal Manning,
Lord Arthur Balfour, Lord Albert Grey and Sir Harry Johnston; and outside of this was the “Association of Helpers”, the broad mass of the Society. One of the puzzles surrounding this meeting is whether the “Society of the Elect” actually came into being.
Carroll Quigley claims in Tragedy and Hope (1966) that Rhodes’s “Society of the Elect” was not only “formally established” in 1891, although its first inception existed several years prior (1889), but that its “outer circle” known as the “Association of Helpers” was “later organised by Milner as the Round Table”
That leaves us on the edge of accepting that the occult loyalties of the PTB exist or staying this side of the line and seeing Rhodes as a man who had his enormous ego which he turned to the good of England. One small part not quoted above was:
The Groups were designed to promulgate the idea of the formation of a Federal World Government, based on the unification of the British Empire and the United States of America. How successful they were in achieving this can be debated.
Certainly they were successful in creating a central bank in the United States which increased British influence on U.S. economic affairs because of the connections between the Bank of England and Wall Street banks.
It can be argued that they set the blueprint for future organisations such as the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Council on Foreign Relations, the United Nations, the Trilateral Commission, and The Bilderberg Group.
The issue vis-a-vis Rhodes then is whether, even as an egomaniac for England, he was led down strange paths by others and was not aware of the occult aspects, the Masonry [see Restoring Britain’s comment near the end], or whether he was well aware of these aspects.
With the CFR, we’re on firm ground and a thorough exploration of them from alternative sources leads to Colonel House, the setting up of the Fed and so on, of which much literature exists online.
Or it can be looked at through Agatha Christie’s eyes in N or M, where she has the policeman Grant explain why those Germans are so fiercely doing as they do:
“Incredible!” said Tommy.
Grant shook his head.
“You do not know the force of German propaganda. It appeals to something in man, some desire or lust for power. These people were ready to betray their country not for money; but in a kind of megalomaniacal pride in what they – they themselves – were going to achieve for that country.
In every land it has always been the same. It is the Cult of Lucifer — Lucifer, Son of the Morning. Pride and a desire for personal glory.”
– from “N or M”, 1941
Looking at Rhodes through his Anglo-American ideas, these were reflected in Conan-Doyle’s Holmes story where Holmes reflects that he’d like to see a merging of the flags of Britain and the US. Conan Doyle’s own history is known. Cf. New Zealand today.
And in the modern day, it’s taken a new turn for a New Age:
Not happy with the Christian faith, Charles turned to “para- psychology” which some define as “dabbling in the occult.” He was greatly influenced by the South African-born writer, explorer, and mystic Laurens van der Post who was a friend of his grandmother, the Queen Mother.
The prince was also influenced by James Lovelock, a British scientist who formulated the “Gaia hypothesis, which today is known as the worship of the earth, a belief based on the Greek goddess Gaia, the Earth Mother. Charles concurs with the perversion of Genesis 1, 2, and 3.
Most people will not find Prince Charles or his environmental activities in the headlines of major newspapers. Nor do his biographies really explain his involvement, as there is basically a blackout on what he is really doing worldwide.
In April 1991, fourteen months before UNCED, the Prince held a private two day international conference aboard the royal yacht Britannia, moored off the coast of Brazil.
His goal was to bring together key international figures in an attempt to achieve a degree of harmony between the various countries that would happen at the Rio Earth Summit. Then Senator Al Gore was present, along with senior officials from the World Bank, chief executives from companies such as Shell and British Petroleum, the key NGO’s, and other officials.
Several years ago, I had the opportunity to interview Maurice Strong and specifically asked him about this meeting. He told me he was in London at a World Wildlife meeting hosted by Prince Philip and was asked by Prince Charles to accompany him to Rio for the April 1991 meeting.
Furthermore, in 1990 when sustainable development had just been formulated by the Brundtland Commission, it was the prince who commended them for “bringing the term ‘sustainable development’ into everyone’s vocabulary.”
Coming back to Rhodes, I’m in two minds.
Firstly, he was a major figure for two nations and that is fittingly remembered by a statue. Also, on that point, the last thing we should be doing now is caving in to these students in their leftwing meatheadedness.
We would also not have had an empire were it not for the Rhodes mentality, closely associated with the Masonic mentality and loyalties. England would have remained a second grade power, even less than what we’re headed back to now. Rhodes himself would not have been pro a German-centric EU but that is the natural consequence of his aim for an English dominated world government once the Black Nobility get to it. Be careful what one wishes for – see Restoring Britain’s comment near the end.
England damned near achieved that – sun never sets – but what it bought the mother country was the immigrant problem we have today. Not to put too fine a point on it, it’s not so much the Poles and Hungarians we have an issue with – it’s the Jamaicans, Africans, Muslims from various far-flung places.
In one sense, we have bought the natural result of Rhodes’s doings. It’s not all cut and dried, there is no strict black and white here – Rhodes worked tirelessly for England to dominate, with him as one of the main men of England doing this. As such, the country called England should be grateful.
But how does the English legacy look under scrutiny? See, my own problem is that I am for an English parliament, thus for getting out of the EU and forgetting all this sustainable development guff. I’m a WASP and my home is Yorkshire.
But it was Britain which ruled the waves, not England alone and not Yorkshire or you might say England in British garb, with help from the other home countries. Or you might say it was Scotland, assisted by England. And what of India?
Whatever. It’s complex enough as it is if you see what I mean, without this Muslim push to take over the whole shebang and half of Africa pouring in here on benefits.
Rhodes was not the unsullied patriot we’d like to think we are ourselves. And anyway, patriotic to what?
Buchan, in The Thirty-Nine Steps, refers to the Jewish influence [Ashkenazi presumably] and how the soldiers who fight and die [the book was published in 1915] invent a flag to have something to fight and die for.
Having said that, the vague set of customs, heritage, language, the freedom of speech, the pursuit of science, the land of churches, all the wars – all that indefinable Britain or England is well worth fighting for when it’s about to be overrun by Muslim hordes. I’d imagine they’d have felt the same in Moorish Spain and at the Gates of Vienna.
It’s difficult to define what we are, yet we know what we are and will defend it to the death.
There’s a line by Rhodes which sums up the Raj mentality:
Ask any man what nationality he would prefer to be and ninety-nine out of a hundred will tell you that they would prefer to be Englishmen.
– in G. leSueur, Cecil Rhodes, 1913
You can guffaw at that but why are all these people desperately heading for England now? And in Maugham’s Mr. Know All:
… we find this:
“I am Mr. Kelada,” he added, with a smile that showed a row of flashing teeth, and sat down.
“Oh, yes, we’re sharing a cabin, I think.”
“Bit of luck, I call it. You never know who you’re going to be put in with. I was jolly glad when I heard you were English. I’m all for us English sticking together when we’re abroad, if you understand what I mean.”
“Are you English?” I asked, perhaps tactlessly.
“Rather. You don’t think I look like an American, do you? British to the backbone, that’s what I am.”
To prove it, Mr. Kelada took out of his pocket a passport and airily waved it under my nose.
King George has many strange subjects. Mr. Kelada was short and of a sturdy build, clean-shaven and dark skinned, with a fleshy, hooked nose and very large lustrous and liquid eyes. His long black hair was sleek and curly. He spoke with a fluency in which there was nothing English and his gestures were exuberant. I felt pretty sure that a closer inspection of that British passport would have betrayed the fact that Mr. Kelada was born under a bluer sky than is generally seen in England.
To that might be added Kipling:
What should they know of England who only England know?
– Kipling, The English Flag, 1892
How can one blogpost cover Rhodes and the whole time of the Raj and Victoria, of de Beer and the diamonds?
Should the statue come down? Not at all, certainly not in our country, at the behest of foreign students who have turned our own, along with the leftist staff.
Should we uncritically accept Rhodes as our great, all-conquering hero? Not at all. Should we say Henry VIII was a lovely chap?
We are caught here between a rock and a hard place. How to finally evaluate Rhodes? Here I draw on Restoring Britain who left this comment on another post and yet it is apt on Rhodes:
“But it’s morphed into something far more sinister that has nothing to do with equality ”
I have long held the view that those who start revolutions should be wary. Whilst they might have high minded principles, history teaches us that pretty much every one of these has had something more sinister waiting in the wings to sweep these aside for a different set of ends altogether. The Arab Spring showed us this in more recent years. Feminism was no different.
In recent days I stumbled across Jack Donovan. I have only just started to begin reading and I suspect I may find some thoughts I don’t agree with, but some of his unapologetic writing enables him to cut to the chase on certain things, which I find myself nodding along with.