Firstly, Johnson admitted they hadn’t a bleedin’ clue, didn’t have a cogent plan. We could say they didn’t need one, the issue being to get out of the EU.
Secondly, yes it was the issue and this the only slim opportunity. With the taxi rank of EU legislation awaiting the outcome of the referendum, with mass migration, Turkey and financial strictures high on that list [posts passim and articles on the web], we had to get out fast. We should have got out with the passing of the reins in 2010.
Thirdly, I firmly believe that the EU wanted us gone and bent to allow it to happen, maybe even organized for it to happen, though they could have asserted the rights their own treaty tells them they have, supported by precedent in their dealings with various vassal states. Ian Parker Joseph is the go-to man on this, his head and files are full of EU outpourings.
Fourthly, I do believe that this is just the next stage for what you could call the PTB, establishment, whatever – the people who run Europe and those at the UN I’m referring to – manifested in the Sutherlands. They do determine policy, mainly as they’re the ones with thinktanks, e.g. Chatham House, e.g. Demos and whatever it’s now metamorphosed into.
Fifthly, the question arises – who are the quislings in the Leave camp?
On this last point, there was a long twitter discussion last night – yes I know, I know your opinion of Twitter but all the decision makers were also on there, not just the loons, so one notes what they put out – and the two names which came up were Carswell and Hannan.
It may have been just pure spite or it may have been directives but they have stated that Farage is cut out of any further discussions in committee about Brexit. As those discussions involve knowledge of EU workings and people on the ground over there, and as he is the clear expert or at least is held to be so by most of the public, certainly the Leave bunch – then he should be involved in that process.
We, the Leave people, can only do so much and then these bozos have to at least get off their backsides and take it from there.
There is also the legitimacy question – that man has singlehandedly brought this whole issue to where it was on the 23rd, no question of that, no matter how churlish and meanspirited you wish to be.
Carswell was quoted as saying it’s time now “for serious people” to take Brexit further. Otherwise seen as it’s time to now hijack it.
Many Tories argued on Twitter last evening that as it can only be the govt of the day who takes this forward, not outsiders, and as it can only be MPs therefore, then Farage does not “qualify”for inclusion on the crossparty committee.
Maybe, but two points – Hannan, who was beside Carswell in this, is also an MEP, not an MP. Obvious conclusion, as he’s included, is that he is going to be an MP through a by-election and that before October. Hence him being a good little boy just now in that interview, completely different demeanour to his usual stuff. Many were quite shocked by the change.
Sixthly therefore, continuing on, Carswell should, at a minimum, be booted out. Maybe he’ll jump, as he’s called a UKIP meeting for Monday and I wouldn’t mind guessing Suzanne Evans will go with him.
Seventh, that gives them carte blanche to shut UKIP out altogether from the Brexit process. They could bring Nigel in on a consultative basis, should they so desire. This is an enormous putdown that they refuse because even if the Tories argue that he is not an MP – thanks to them, by the way – and therefore has no say, he, being an elected MEP until the day it’s signed, has every right, as a member of the other body, to be there in discussions.
Hannan is an MEP, not an MP, remember.
So there is a right royal stitch up, a fix going in. From the Tories to the parliament in general to the PTB behind them – they want Farage shut right out.
Eight – this referendum was never about the Tories or Labour. To be fair, Johnson’s cheery disposition helped get Leave across the line but it was the votes of the working class in the north and Wales which actually did it. Plus ours of course.
And these people who voted are being shut out yet again. Hannan went on the programme and said they had no intention of zero immigration. Tories jumped on that last evening and said Hannan was simply pointing out that they could never achieve zero.
But detractors coupled that with his other statement that immigration was not a major issue. Yes it bloody well was, it was why the working class voted out.
Nine – recognizing that, various charts started coming out showing that immigration had not been the prime issue motivating voters, that it was the desire to leave a corrupt institution first and foremost. You and I know that’s bollox, anecdotal evidence from yesterday just agreed with the point that immigration was the biggy, though you can see why the Tories are now angling to remove it as the prime issue.
Ten – we now get into a nice technical question. Yes, on paper, only the parliamentary party can carry this forward but in the minds of so many who voted, that’s not so if Farage is cut out. 3.8 million voted for his party last time, so he is very much a player in many people’s minds, even those who don’t like him were conceding this last night.
All of this could be solved by just bringing him in as a “show inclusion” but these people are petty and they fear his influence. So they’ve cut him out.
Eleven – were Carswell and Hannan rapped over the knuckles for their stances? Were they hell. They were allowed to go on and speak for the Tories. Carswell is UKIP at this point, he fought his by-election as UKIP, he used their resources to get him over his line, though he would argue, rightly, that that was largely his own Tory base.
I believe he will set this in order on Monday or Tuesday – the timing is a minor point. Maybe he’ll put an ultimatum which he knows they can’t accept. Needless to say, the talk among our lot has not been kind to Carswell.
Thirteen – to whom, asked a few Americans, in as many words? Indeed. Both Carswell and Hannan have assumed powers, abetted by the Beeb and ITV, out of all proportion to their actual current status. You saw the pics the MSM put up as Cameron v Boris. Where is Farage’s moosh?
The Tories say the people only THINK they have a say in all this.
The people say – we bloody well do have a say, this was what the whole thing was about! This is precisely what all the unrest is about – things being done over our heads.
There it is Sunday morning.